Anyone else in Canada having this problem?

yup we just break laws to make your whole couple weeks of hunting hell each year on the logging roads
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You have probably never heard of such a thing happening,but individuals have put up signs on land they don't even own,and people have erected gates and locked them to provide exclusive access for their own hunting when they had no legal right to do so.Usually though ,this occurs in ranching or farming areas.I have seen signs erected on grazing leases that do allow hunting by people wanting to keep other hunters away.I have asked landowners for permission only to find out that they weren't aware that their land was even posted.Someone else had put up the signs to keep other hunters out.
 
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Stubble I am not trying to be a total #### here but with comments like my clubs insurance will cover it ??? what the hell is that , it sounds to me like its ok to create problems and break laws cause a guy has insurance , or maybe its ok to wipe out a loaded truck and kill the driver , afterall his insurance will pay the family rather well ?

I live and work in the forestry capital of BC were in 4 major mills over 700 loads of logs are delivered a day, and yet I can find 100s of places to hunt (with awsome hunting) that there is noone working, and have a lot of budies from the island that have no problems hunting and following the rules

maybe in your area you have some problem farmers well thats not logging roads and active logging were safety is a major issue, yea I hate the no hunting signs with the monster buck standing behind them to , but am not going to make a thread complaining about it and I sure wont be endangering someones life out of ignorance and a insurance policy

yea loggers have keys and hunt on the roads , we also have vhf radios and know how to use them, also know everyone working there and follow the rules posted at the begining of the roads and have no problems

I met 2 fellows from surrey BC last week on our logging road , I was checking my load and they pulled up, asked were we were logging , how many trucks, average time between trucks and if there were any roads off of the main one they could hunt in peice, as well they had a neat toy called a scanner , couldnt talk to the trucks but could hear them coming, they had a great hunt and no close calls with anyone, we also had 3 hunters from duncan BC who now require about 7000 dollars in repairs to there pick up and there hunt is ruined and over, speeding down a road at first light and met a loaded logging truck on a corner and took the ditch...it was about 7 feet down , and you know what we laffed at them for being stoopid as they had been told the day before to slow down and follow logging vehicles in and out with radios for safety
 
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yup your insurance will bring back someones father when you run a loaded truck off the road or get killed yourself !
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I have never seen a logging truck that would even leave the centre of the road for oncoming traffic let alone take the ditch to miss another vehicle. (Yes there is lots of logging in Alberta and Saskatchewan where I hunt and fish)Though you do have some good points your opinions are definately influenced by your profession. How many of your buddies have actually been killed by hunters, either shot or actually run off the road?
 
yea loggers have keys and hunt on the roads ,
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That is the only statement that you make that I have a problem with.If the logging roads are so dangerous,why would the company allow it's workers to create a hazard by allowing themk to stop their truck on the road to kill an animal and load it?

Personally the only logging trucks that I normally encounter are the ones that travel down our main highways.With the amount of crap that I have seen fall off of logging trucks,including a 12" section of log that a hunting partner struck on a main highway at night because it fell off of the truck hauling it,that is more than enough for me.Add in the fact that the marker lights hung on the ends of the logs protruding long distances off of the trucks often fall off or don't work,these trucks already expose me to more than enough danger without me looking for more.By the way,I live in Northern Alberta where the safety standards for the loads that logging trucks are allowed to haul,are much less stringent than those in B.C.
 
That is the only statement that you make that I have a problem with.If the logging roads are so dangerous,why would the company allow it's workers to create a hazard by allowing themk to stop their truck on the road to kill an animal and load it?
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Cause loggers are smart enough to take radios with 'em and listen who's calling loaded and empty.

I think it's more the driving anyway that gets loggers upset. Some dolt in a pickup with no radio or scanner comes whistling around a corner at top speed and the logger has virtually nowhere to go. A few days of 'close calls' like that, and you'd be willing to pay for the sign yourself.

Most hunters aren't so stupid. But - you get the handful of dinks, and the other handful of newbs who don't know better, and pretty soon the logging companies don't want anything to do with hunters on their roads.

Just bad education.
 
we have had 1 lowbed truck with 4 300 win mag bullets placed in it while the driver was awaiting a loaded truck , we had 2 other incidents wear hunters were shooting at grouse and a truck came around the corner and took out a rad on 1 , we have had several trucks in the ditch trying to squeeze around public autos, and 2 drivers upsidown after clipping a public auto , 1 driver died due to a guy who had a vhf radio and was yacking with his hunting buddies about a moose and the oncoming trucks call didnt go through the radio leading to a head on collision on a corner with 2 loaded trucks, 3 or 4 accidents were hunters met bush crews leaving the bush in pick-ups resulting in a few deaths over the past few years so yea its a problem big nuff to warrent safety, and no my job does not influence my opinions, I was a hunting guide for 12 years and a hunting addict from hell, and beleive everyone should hunt but do it safetly !

and to note 8 out of 10 roads here are NOT double wide and do have 13-15% grade hills wich varry from a few hundred yards to 4 or 5 kms long and switchbacks on them with poor visibility on the best of days nevermind the fall when we get fog so thick you probably shouldnt be there anyways (3000 miles of lakes in the imedieta area can be thanked for that I guess) oh and a gravel truck run off the road by a group of hunters racing home 1 night tottaling off the gravel truck , driver lived but is now verry anti hunter

and yes we try and play nice but all it takes is 1 bad apple either side to make it a bad day and folks with the attitude of ITS MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT usualy screw it for everyone

and we have endured probably a good gestamate 300-400 grand in damaged equiptment from bullets and theft during hunting seasons over the past 7 or 8years , everything from float tires being shot to lexan windows (like I said float tires are about 10 grand each), shop trucks broken into and tools stolen, vhf radios you name it people have done it so yea we have a valued point in stopping it, and yea its to bad so many good folks loose there places to hunt but we cant do a background check on every hunter that wants to hunt on a particular road system

and yes some loggers dont help either by speeding or being overly anal, but we do have in place and working bush cops from the mills and radar guns, get busted being a #### and lose your job , and the program is working
 
back to Stubble, yes I know all to well the rules of alberta logging , been there done that , grand prairie, redrock valley on the warehouser main road, I quit due to the phsycos on the roads and the BS rules , a log breaking and falling off can happen, even if every safety percation is used , but then there is a law about following other vehicles to close as well , YES I know some highway drivers are DICKS and tailgte you , I hate that as much as the next guy , as for safety lights on loads in BC its a couple hundred bucks you get cought with 1 out , the DOT dosnt play favorites here with truckers be safe or pay for your stupidity we also now run mill tags here , a designated number thats about 1 foot square on the front of the truck and color coated to a designated mill to report a truck for BS or safety issues

back to Foxer in alberta the radios are used for whatever the hell they want play music over, chat on whatever its a GONG SHOW

here we have a ZERO tollerance for radio chatter get cought get booted off the road, as I said earlier we have had a driver die due to someones sensless babble on the radio

another point that should be made most communications stores and shops rent vhs radios cheap like 25 bucks a week and will teach people how to use them, not a bad 25 bucks for that kind of safety and knowledge Id say, and to keep a road unlocked for future hunting trips

and like I said before I will gladly take anyone for a ride up and down the mountain and help them get radios and how to use them in this area for hunting purposes
 
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a log breaking and falling off can happen, even if every safety percation is used , but then there is a law about following other vehicles to close as well , YES I know some highway drivers are DICKS and tailgte you , I hate that as much as the next guy
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The driver was not tailgating but when a piece of log falls off a load on a dark and rainy night,you don't have to tailgate to not see it.And when the marker lights aren't working or the log bounces on the ground and smashes it at night,or they are simply covered in snow,it isn't easy to see the rear of the truck at all let alone protruding logs.
 
Calgary gong shows... how about 4 other hunts walking past your tree stand... heck, two of them sat under me last night till I said hi and freaked them out ;) I got to find I new spot I think, I never used to see anyone else there and I've hunted it for years but this year is nuts. I while still hunting I found three other stands in the area to:rolleyes:
 
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Cause loggers are smart enough to take radios with 'em and listen who's calling loaded and empty.
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Many folks in this area that go into those woods have the same radios, and know how to use them. :p

Also I have no issue with the safety concepts bone-collector is mentioning, in fact I helped set allot of this stuff up for one of the security companies, but methinks they are going to far...way too far, as we always let the hunters in, as keep in mind that in the past it has been the Hunters in this area have been the ones to catch vandals of logging equipment, report poachers, report and prevent wildfires, find lost people and pets, report grow-ops, etc etc.

Who is watching the woods now?:confused:

Also I don't like this Collective responsibility crap...everyone should be judged by there own individual merits, not by one bad apple.
 
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we have had 1 lowbed truck with 4 300 win mag bullets placed in it while the driver was awaiting a loaded truck
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I hope that the driver was OK. Not being a smartass, but how do you know it was a 300 Win mag?
 
It was .30 calibre holes, so he must of assumed it was a winmag or he knew the shooter or they caught the shooter. Just my $0.02. I've noticed alot of posted signs around here too. I approached some of the farmers and they weren't aware that their property had been posted as my group were the only ones with written permission. I assume it's tresspassers (boy do they have a surprise waiting come the deer opener:D ) or anti's.

-Jason
 
Well as I have mused about before I might just go get a free miners licence, and put a gold pan in my backpack, and tell them to shove their gates. :p
 
Seems like the logging roads would be a bit safer for all involved if there was a reasonable speed limit. I am sure truckers would rather make the same money for driving 70km/h as for driving 110km/h.

I am scared to death on N/E roads in my experience neither hunters, oil field or logging traffic has a monopoly on creating dangerous situations for themselves and others. Might help if we posted signs indicating how long it would take to get medical help to the km marker.

Most unsurfaced rural roads in Canada are what 50 or 60 km/h an hour posted limits? Why do truckers have to risk thier lives at the ludicrous speeds that are common practice?

As for firearms vandalism or unsafe shooting we have a crimminal code for that, if it happend in town you know there would be an investigation, time to start demanding the same in the bush.

IF you want/need a key usually a polite phone call and evidence of a FSR radio etc will get you one.
 
Seems like the logging roads would be a bit safer for all involved if there was a reasonable speed limit. I am sure truckers would rather make the same money for driving 70km/h as for driving 110km/h.
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There are changes being made. Turn around times for example, where they're expected to take at least x number of hours to make a return trip, so there's no advantage to speeding anyway.
Why do truckers have to risk thier lives at the ludicrous speeds that are common practice?
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Expectations of employers and such. But that is changing.

As for firearms vandalism or unsafe shooting we have a crimminal code for that, if it happend in town you know there would be an investigation, time to start demanding the same in the bush.
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You're kidding, right?

Lets see.. no witnesses, no real evidence, and there ain't enough cops to investigate all of the crap that goes on in the towns.. you figure that they're going to catch a lot of guys?

And even if they did - it STILL wouldn't pay for the lost money due to damaged equipment sitting idle when it should be working.

if someone kept entering your home and cleaning the place out .. how long would it take YOU to start locking the front door as a deterrent? Probably not long. That's where logging companies are coming from.

I'm not saying i'm HAPPY about it, or that i don't think we should be looking for BETTER answers everyone can live with, but lets not pretend it's all on the head and shoulders of the logging companies to fix. The fact is, if they have a problem the easiest way to fix it is deny access and that's what they do. We need to give it some thought and come up with better answers. Or a lot more area will be closed.

On the flipside, there's still a hell of a lot of places to go hunt that aren't active and aren't blocked off.
 
You go Bone-Collector...

I see your point. I would more than likely feel the same as you if I were working in your industry. If it were my safety or some hick hunter from the big city I know it would be me first.

I see it all to often and you know when someone only pulls there gun out once or twice a year. My safety first B4 that clown.

I do not care what anyone may think but in this day and age hunting on public land is a privelage not a right. The only land I own is the 50'X110" lot that my house is on. If I want to hunt I have to go and ask. If I see a sign I will try and find out and ask anyway. If I am told no so be it. I move on. It sucks if you know that there may be a big one there but them are the rules.

Unfortunately there are those who feel they are above the rules. Why should they ruin it for all? It is just the way our society works. You F+++ it up for one you usually F+++ it up for all.
 
In Alberta the gates are usually put in place on new roads for wildlife reasons. Guys with keys are NOT allowed to use the road for any purpose other than work. They can still hunt, it is not intended to ban access, just limit vehicle travel. I'm sure there's abuse, but company's are aware of the public scrutiny and some have forbidden rifles in vehicles.
 
One thing we have to take into account is the ever increasing population, the economy and the effect it has on where you can hunt. The busiest provinces have the greatest problem with convienient hunting areas. The population explosion, the growth in the oil and forestry industries have made it difficult to jsut "pop out for the day" to go hunting.

Just have a look at the locations from most of the posters in this thread. Armedsask isn't here posting because he can likely still hunt in the same area he always has. But many in the busy provinces head out to their favorite haunt only to find many other hunters, signage and are not quite in the pristine wilderness they once were. It gets harder for some to hunt because of the distances involved with getting to areas where the can hunt. It's tougher to find that "going hunting for the day" spot. There are plenty of areas in almost every province to go where you can get away from people and industry, they are just much further away than they used to be for many hunters.




I, on the other hand, don't have that problem.:p :dancingbanana:

Oh yeah, nah,nah,nah, NAH, nah.........
 
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