Anyone else just not like combat friendly tupperware?
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Because you would like a good quality plastic gun and haven't had one yet?
CZ Shadow or 1911 would be my choice over any plastic race gun for the competition. Weight helps ususally in such case. However, if You like the plastic guns there is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with it.
I started out only liking the Beretta 92 and 1911 series. But now all I own is a Glock 17. As nice as the 1911 is, there's just so much that can go wrong with them. They're a high maintenance gun. A Glock works all the time, and that's all I care for right now. Plus, as for aesthetics, the Glock Gen 1 and Gen 2 guns were seriously ugly, but the later Gen 3 and Gen 4 guns I find more pleasing to the eye.
Armored Metal
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For recreationnal shooting and IPSC it's all steel for me. 1911, CZ 75b and S&W revolvers. But for 40 hours a week, I fully appreciate ( with my busted-up back ) the light weight of the HK p2000 that sits in my holster. It's far from my first choice as a defensive firearm but it's reliable and light.
I will assume you've never shot a P226 as it's a steel framed pistol and you are implying you don't like them cause they're plastic. If you like steel framed pistols you should try a 226 they're quite nice to shoot actually. Sig does make some polymer like the P2022 etc maybe that was the gun your buddy had?
Also btw i got nothing against polymer, to each their own i have both....
I guess we can all assume you haven't got much experience with the 226 either...the vast majority of them are aluminum framed, not steel.
blackacres
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Years ago, I owned a Colt 1911, S & W 629 and a bull barrel Hi Standard target pistol and grew up shooting heavier, all metal/steel guns.
In the mid 90's after hearing all the stories about the latest new plastic guns, I had the opportunity to shoot a 9 mm Glock. It did nothing for me at all, it felt too light, like a toy gun, the grip angle just didn't feel right and it seemed to have a 'snappy/sharp' recoil.
I recently got back into shooting pistols and obviously I gravitated to all metal guns. I bought a Sig 226, Sig 220 (alumium frame, not steel), and a Desert Eagle! All metal guns like I shot years ago. A 1911 will join them soon.
However, I had the chance to shoot a couple of Glocks at a Glock Day at our range and I seemed to like them better than the last time I shot one. Perhaps the latest Gen guns changes made the difference.
However, I recently purchased a HK45. This is one polymer gun that I really like to shoot, the grip/frame angle is very similar to a 1911 which makes it fit my hand better. The grip is very comfortable, better than a 1911 in my opinion, and the recoil seems to be not near as bad as I recall my 1911 was like.
It looks like this old, all steel gun guy is slowly converting to the dark side of polymer guns! I'm now 'eyeing up' a HK 30L, or a USP 9 mm, or perhaps both!!! As mentioned, one can never have enough pistols.
In the mid 90's after hearing all the stories about the latest new plastic guns, I had the opportunity to shoot a 9 mm Glock. It did nothing for me at all, it felt too light, like a toy gun, the grip angle just didn't feel right and it seemed to have a 'snappy/sharp' recoil.
I recently got back into shooting pistols and obviously I gravitated to all metal guns. I bought a Sig 226, Sig 220 (alumium frame, not steel), and a Desert Eagle! All metal guns like I shot years ago. A 1911 will join them soon.
However, I had the chance to shoot a couple of Glocks at a Glock Day at our range and I seemed to like them better than the last time I shot one. Perhaps the latest Gen guns changes made the difference.
However, I recently purchased a HK45. This is one polymer gun that I really like to shoot, the grip/frame angle is very similar to a 1911 which makes it fit my hand better. The grip is very comfortable, better than a 1911 in my opinion, and the recoil seems to be not near as bad as I recall my 1911 was like.
It looks like this old, all steel gun guy is slowly converting to the dark side of polymer guns! I'm now 'eyeing up' a HK 30L, or a USP 9 mm, or perhaps both!!! As mentioned, one can never have enough pistols.
haha! Or are they aluminum alloys?? ha lol . Guess i should have said "non-polymer"........
Anyway as well OP i wasn't trying to sound rude, perhaps i should have worded slightly different, i was only suggesting i assume maybe your friend had a P2022 or something, not a 226, if you were shooting a polymer framed Sig. And if you enjoy "non-polymer" framed pistols you may enjoy shooting a P226. And hey what do i know maybe they do make polymer 226's..... let me know if they do!
At any rate to each their own, everyone has their preference, Happy Shooting
Well, SIG do make some polymer guns...but unfortunately they aren't particularly good.
But if you want a non-polymer pistol, IMO the P226 is the gun to have. My preference is the older, West German built SIG. But frankly the modern SIGs will still run better than most guns I have seen, aside from Gen 2 & 3 G17s, 19s, and 34s, G20s, and Gen 4 G22s and, presumably, G26s. M&P 40s may also be more reliable that modern 226s, but it's hard to tell. The M&Ps seem to be hard to predict and they change with every shift at the S&W factory.
Oh, as usual I am forgetting the H&K stuff...the USP, P2000, P30 and HK45 would probably all outpace the US SIGs. But I would take a US P226 that had been dragged behind a truck for ten miles ahead of an XD, for example.
But if you want a non-polymer pistol, IMO the P226 is the gun to have. My preference is the older, West German built SIG. But frankly the modern SIGs will still run better than most guns I have seen, aside from Gen 2 & 3 G17s, 19s, and 34s, G20s, and Gen 4 G22s and, presumably, G26s. M&P 40s may also be more reliable that modern 226s, but it's hard to tell. The M&Ps seem to be hard to predict and they change with every shift at the S&W factory.
Oh, as usual I am forgetting the H&K stuff...the USP, P2000, P30 and HK45 would probably all outpace the US SIGs. But I would take a US P226 that had been dragged behind a truck for ten miles ahead of an XD, for example.
Also i've never heard of a polymer P226 before. Where did you see one?? How are they different from like the P2022's etc?? I'd like to try one to compare to the non-poly 226 that would be interesting...
As well i see you mentioned the HK P2000, how is that compared to a 226? I really like the look and feel of the P2000 but have never shot one.
It's possible - and by possible I mean absolutely factual - that the reason nobody complains about them is that they don't exist.
I don't really have a lot of time in on P2000s. They are basically P30s. They have slightly different ergos but seem to work the same as far as I can tell. Frankly I don't understand why they keep the P2000 around now that they have the P30. But then there are a lot of things that HK does that I really do not understand.
Nope, your not. I'd say that maybe 75% of the guys over 60 I meet at the range are with you. I personally dont mind them. I like all metal guns too though but, both have there places. One thing is for sure though, there is no durability issue with polymer. In some cases polymer can be stronger then steel. Especially when it is reinforced with an aramid fiber like kevlar.
to solve this plastic vs steel debate once and for all, a glock or an xd or an m&p is just a gun but a finely crafted 1911 or a luger is more than that. its almost a work of art, its not just a tool anymore, it has history.
if you just want a tool buy a glock
if you want something to pass down to your kids buy a 1911
if you just want a tool buy a glock
if you want something to pass down to your kids buy a 1911
easyrider604
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Both Stainless Steel and Polymer are durable, assuming they are used in a correct and proper application.
An episode of the TV series Life After Humans showed that the most durable long lasting items left hundreds of years after Humans disappeared are a stainless steel kitchen sink and plastic (low tech polymer) milk bottles, IIRC.
My 1st handgun was a glock 17. Couldn't shoot worth a damn. Then I got a s&w 686, which is a tack driver. Then Norc 1911, CZ-shadow, then CZ Tac Sport, all of which shot better than the glock. No more plastic for me.
Some people keep on saying, polymer is not plastic. They obviously haven't done any research or reading on what polymer is. PLASTIC IS A POLYMER!!! POLYMER with mystery ingredients in it is still PLASTIC.
I don't hate plastic, I'd love to have a light gun that I'd be able to shoot accurately, too. Haven't found one yet.
BTW Notice how the OP just stir $hit up and just leaves (or watches)? We are all suckers.
Some people keep on saying, polymer is not plastic. They obviously haven't done any research or reading on what polymer is. PLASTIC IS A POLYMER!!! POLYMER with mystery ingredients in it is still PLASTIC.
I don't hate plastic, I'd love to have a light gun that I'd be able to shoot accurately, too. Haven't found one yet.
BTW Notice how the OP just stir $hit up and just leaves (or watches)? We are all suckers.
Brutus
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Some polymer handguns are pretty good shooting firearms indeed.
Will one care if you are dead and long gone about the heirlooms we leave behind?
Maybe or maybe not, but as an example there is currently a pretty healthy market for antique firearms that are still serviceable presently on our EE.
So in another 100 years will Glocks and such be on a future antique selling block??
I would hazard to guess the answer would be no, but only time will tell and I could be absolutely wrong.
I'm not disrespecting any firearm, it's just my meager opinion fellas.
Will one care if you are dead and long gone about the heirlooms we leave behind?
Maybe or maybe not, but as an example there is currently a pretty healthy market for antique firearms that are still serviceable presently on our EE.
So in another 100 years will Glocks and such be on a future antique selling block??
I would hazard to guess the answer would be no, but only time will tell and I could be absolutely wrong.
I'm not disrespecting any firearm, it's just my meager opinion fellas.
In my opinion, the only reason some people have more trouble being accurate with polymer handguns is their light weight. Trigger control and other shooting fundamentals become more important. Just like a 15 pound rifle is generally easier to be accurate with then a 6 pound one. Try benching your polymer guns and you will see what I mean. It is the shooters fault not the guns most of the time.
