Anyone ever have a semi that outshot a bolt

So I have been trying for a few years to make a semi shoot as good as some of my bolts. I haven't succeeded. Most of it could be chalked up to my lack of good fundamentals I am thinking as consistency is the issue. On the bolt side I can hold my own very easy. This has resulted in selling many rifles and trying over. I have thought long about getting a SS match barrel and trying one more time with the latest Precision AR I have in stock. It shoots under an inch but the group size isnt consistent. Can anyone recommend some match barrels and sources that they have used.

thx
 
You know, maybe I knew the answer all along. There is a lot more going on in a semi than a bolt that has to come together. But it's the old story of how slow Jimmy made it over
sharp whoever to get the gold ring. Just the return end of the semi cycle can ruin the whole f'ing thing. That being said, I can say first hand that I've seen at the range a few dedicated ones
that have outshot the bolter's. And regularly! So I'll say this. It can be done, but it takes more patience and tweeking than the old "Less things going on" bolt crowd. But aye the advantages.
 
So we are talking about "tuned" "shooting match" style rifles?!?!


I thought the basic question was "Anyone ever have a semi that out shot a bolt".


Yup.


There are a few semis in this thread, some out of the box, that will out shoot a bolt.

In this forum, what level of performance would you be discussing?

Well, I guess you could find a modern semi that will outshoot a rusty Mosin nagant.

What would be the point in that comparison?

If you consider precision shooting to be anything around MOA, lots of options.

If you consider precision to be sub 1/2 min, well, you get the point.

If anyone wants to tweak up an AR, I have match barrels from several manf that would be possible. Yes, they improve the semi substantially and some very respectable performance has been reached.

will they beat a bolt with the same investment? Again, nope.

But then it all depends on the prism you want to view this discussion

YMMV
Jerry
 
There are definately some manufacturers that can make an AR and like said, usually a 308 version that can shoot as well as a bolt for tactical type matches. Your shooting fundamentals have to be solid as driving a semi is different than driving a bolt gun. It takes time to master, much more than a bolt gun. I have been working at it but it is frustersting. I want to see if I can find something promising in a SS match barrel before I get rid of this project.
 
Jerry,

Send me a pm with some options for 223/5.56 cal. I have asked you before but I have been hesitant because I wanted to keep learning to correct my fundamentals with the semi. Now I am ready to just throw money at it! Lol.
 
Having played with both M305 and AR's wrt improving accuracy, I can say the process of shooting is no different. Yes, the triggers are usually heavier and may be less then ideal but the basics don't change.

So, if after the best rifle set up you can do, coupled with the best match ammo you can make, and shot under the best conditions including environmental and rests/optics, the rifle doesn't shoot, accept the rifle doesn't shoot.

I did some testing with other semis with great reputations for accuracy. Unfortunately, those particular rifles never came close to what some shooters were reporting. Was my rifle a dud or was their particular accurate? who knows... doesn't matter.

I tested as I would any precision and competition rifle. what I found was the inconsistency typical of semis. good group followed by many more that were ho hum or downright bad.

So the average without discounting any bad group showed the rifle to be less then stellar.

I have built up rifles that were sub MOA accurate and this was at a consistent basis using my handloads. Even got an AR to provide some groups approaching 5/8 min at 100yds. Very exciting but compared to a well set up bolt rifle, not even close.

For the AR, barrels from Shilen, Krieger, and McGowen are possible

for the M1A and M305, kriegers are possible

See the manf websites for all possible options. will they make a significant improvement? you better believe it.

But if I want itty bitty groups both near and far, I will put my money on a bolt rifle.

For consistent sub MOA performance, semis can make that happen today.

Jerry
 
MOA is quite an achivement 100% of the time, if i get my Springfield NM M1A to give me MOA on a regular base with a tailored load 100% of the time with an occasional .6-.7, i will be happy, on the other hand i could not shoot .23 group @ 300 metres to achieved my dime stuff, @ .3, i was disatisfied... Really think we are walking in 2 differents roads here... JP.
 
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