Anyone experiencing issues with 1022 Archangel kits and accuracy?

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Had a Forum Member mention that his kit has a POI change after shooting and needs to be re-zeroed but I couldn't find that problem anywhere???? I have not experienced it but would not like chasing my zero. :(

Can other kit owners please chime in?

My machinists buddy was impressed the way it mounted to the reciever rail and I thought if a Glock can be accurate being made of a similar material why wouldn't this?

Thanks
Randy
 
I have one. Its not the action or barrel that move its the top rail that the sights mount to. It changes ever so slightly due to heat causing the sights to be off. It changes my poi by about .25-.4" at 50 yards. But it always moves the poi up so its not to bad as its predictable. I will say that this was not an issue i noticed initallly and it may be due to several complete tear downs for cleaning and parts swaps. I also run a vortex sure fire red dot and the mount though soild may need more of a base to have less chance of movement. I have a friend that is going to cnc a new top rail out of aluminum for me so that it will react less to heat, but that might not be till fall. I know when i ran magpul sights that this was not a issue.

I also know that when shooting, that pacing the shots eliminates any poi change and keeping the gun out of direct sunlight whne not shooting also help keep the gun cool. Just remember it is plastic and as such are affected by heat more so them metal. When i shoot in the late fall this is all a non issue due to the cool/ cold outside temp.
 
randyhub said:
Thanks so I wonder how Glock and other Polymer platfoms get around this?

Randy
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I think it's the density of the polymer (not all plastic is created equal).
I have the Mossberg 715T with the carry handle. I have a friend with the Archangel and the plastic feels about the same. I have the same issues as above. I have a red dot mounted and on a really hot day (it was 34c in Edmonton yesterday) I have to adjust the red dot a couple of cliks at 50m.
The same friend has a Glock...the polymer seems much denser than that of the Archangel/Mossberg.
 
bobtodrick said:
I think it's the density of the polymer (not all plastic is created equal).
I have the Mossberg 715T with the carry handle. I have a friend with the Archangel and the plastic feels about the same. I have the same issues as above. I have a red dot mounted and on a really hot day (it was 34c in Edmonton yesterday) I have to adjust the red dot a couple of cliks at 50m.
The same friend has a Glock...the polymer seems much denser than that of the Archangel/Mossberg.
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This sounds about right... It doesn't actually take much to fully melt some polymers, so I could see the heat affecting it like that. HDPE is used for things like suspension spacers and skid plates in cars, and IIRC you can melt it using an oven at low temperature. Same thing happens with vinyl in the sun, or CD's left in the car on a hot day.

On the other hand, don't Glocks use a polymer frame with a metal topslide? In that case, your sights are affixed to a metal section, which is directly in contact with the barrel, so the polymer has no effect on zero. I've never taken apart a Glock, but I'm pretty sure the action and mating surfaces are all metal, with the rest of the frame in polymer (grip, trigger guard, etc). Can't imagine why they'd make it any other way... As much as I like polymers for their strength and lightness, I wouldn't use them on parts that could wear.
 
My bad, Glock (didn't know I am a Ruger pistol guy) has a poly frame metal rails mated to a metal slide guess that makes sense. Now I have to just suck it up with my Archangel 556R kit.

Randy
 
I guess it just depends on what you want it for. Most people that have a aa556 kit are not going for bench rest accuracy. Its all about plinking. Mine when fire slow off a bench can shoot group close to what the same set up would shoot in a boyds stock or other wooden bedded stock. I however have a bench rest 10/22. I use my aa556 for what i can pop can accuracy. I can easily shoot a pop can at 100-125 yards and consistantly hit a 6" steel target at 200". I know the gun was built with parts that are way more capable in a better stock but its all about the fun factor. My wife love to shoot it, and want one of her own in a dark purple.

Just know what you want the gun to do and enjoy it for what it is......a ton of FUN. I run 525-1500 rd everytime i go out threw mine and i smile everytime i pick it up to shoot.

Now you could try archangels g36 kit as i have not heard about anyone having the same issues. Or spend the cash and get a all metal kit from nordic. Either way have a blast.

Cheers
 
As much as I'd hate to say it, there's a RB Precision Evolution stock for sale in the Rimfire EE... I was yea close to "pulling the trigger" on it, but my better half made some valid points regarding money and better things to spend it on. I want a stock for a rifle, she wants a bigger TV for the living room... Guess who won. ;)

Anyway, might be an idea... At the price, it's cheaper than piecing together an AR kit from Nordic components, cheaper than a Troy T-22, takes AR stocks (and grips, I think), and leaves the top of the receiver open so you can attach a rail to that. No more worrying about pulling off the sights to clean the gun, and I suspect it'll even work with the Dlask receiver and integrated rail (if you choose to upgrade in the future). Man, thinking about it is almost making me kick myself for not picking it up...
 
Thanks guys you all have shared with me some great points to ponder and yes I bought the 1022 for a fun plinker and gopher processor. :)

So I will just shoot it for fun and remember it is just a plinker as I just cannot bring myself to spring for the Troy stock at least inside will still be that reliable Ruger 1022 spitting out brass.

If I want to bench shoot I will just break out my tachdriver Anshulz bolt action save some ammo and and take my time. :)

Thanks again
Randy
 
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