#### yeah!! Looks like my CZ will be taking a little trip cross Canada!! 10rds for the CZ and 10rds for the SU......Zombies be gonna git it!!It is the B&T adapter from Wolverine that allows the use of 7.62x39 XCR "pistol" mags. Now I have 10 rounders for my cz 858!!!!!!!! Its like Xmas again!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone got a CZ858 with the 10 round mag adapter?
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Please read the wolverine site if you are interested. It states you can. I also have been emailing and calling to get the information. I am sending mine in a week.
I am well aware of the vendors claims.
I am looking for feedback from CGN'ers with first hand experience who are putting the product through it's paces.
I also have questions posted in the dealer forum to the dealer.
FYI it was also claimed that you could top load from stripper clips, yet a member who has first hand experience posted earlier it was a no-go.
Wolverine is a top notch business and vendor on here. I have it in writing that if any of their claims on this adapter the gun should be returned. Call Wolverine for yourself, get it from the horses mouth. I have dealt with them many times and have always been 100% satisfied with the service, returns calls and emails, and shipping. Looking at buying anything without having discussions directly with the business you want to hand your money over to is a massive mistake.
I never claimed otherwise, Wolverine has been great to deal with over the years.
You and I obviously have a difference of opinion about how we go about purchasing an item.
I will wait until I have reviews from members who have put the product through its paces.
You are welcome to make your purchase however you see fit.
Go ahead and be a Beta-tester if that floats your boat, I am in no hurry and will wait and see on this one, hoping they work out great.
So, back on topic...do you have an 858 with the B&T adapter? If yes can you answer my original questions I posted?
We are on topic, call the people making and installing it to find out the facts.
Things posted on the internet need to be taken with a grain of salt, these people are faceless and not accountable for what they state or claim so why insist on third party claims??
Yes I have a CZ 858 I am sending in to them shortly as I have posted more than once. Since these adapters are a new thing you will not find much on them as of yet.
Things posted on the internet need to be taken with a grain of salt, these people are faceless and not accountable for what they state or claim so why insist on third party claims??
Yes I have a CZ 858 I am sending in to them shortly as I have posted more than once. Since these adapters are a new thing you will not find much on them as of yet.
I'm interested in this also... here is a video of the modification in action...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmMZlHbqwI8
We are on topic, call the people making and installing it to find out the facts.
NO. I will wait for feedback on this forum from CGN'ers using them...thanks.
Things posted on the internet need to be taken with a grain of salt, these people are faceless and not accountable for what they state or claim so why insist on third party claims??
Thanks Dad...I'm real new to this whole "intranetz" place is it true you shouldn't believe everything you read? Where can I find free pictures of Neked ladies?
Yes I have a CZ 858 I am sending in to them shortly as I have posted more than once. Since these adapters are a new thing you will not find much on them as of yet.
So in other words, you have no personal experience with the product we are discussing. I'll look forward to reading your "third-party" review when you do!
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I just loked at the XCR mags I have and compared them to the CZ mags and also took a look at the CZ bolt carrier and have a few observations.
The CZ mags have a small cut out the stripper clips would sit on to feed into teh mag. This cut out is not apparent on the XCR mags since they were not meant to be loaded that way. The CZ bolt carrier has a groove for the stripper clip to sit in but it sits in the CZ mag to hold it in place while loading. I think trying to load the XCR mags would be inconsistent at best if someone took the time to fool around trying to figure out the technique. I do not think this was meant to be for those that want the ability to do so. But these mags hold ten now so the need to reload more often is 0% less. Also the price of XCR mags is more than fair.
Just a couple observation for those that mentioned stripper clip loading was a concern, I have not heard a claim though that you should be able to with this conversion. I will ask Wolverine Tuesday though to confirm this.
The CZ mags have a small cut out the stripper clips would sit on to feed into teh mag. This cut out is not apparent on the XCR mags since they were not meant to be loaded that way. The CZ bolt carrier has a groove for the stripper clip to sit in but it sits in the CZ mag to hold it in place while loading. I think trying to load the XCR mags would be inconsistent at best if someone took the time to fool around trying to figure out the technique. I do not think this was meant to be for those that want the ability to do so. But these mags hold ten now so the need to reload more often is 0% less. Also the price of XCR mags is more than fair.
Just a couple observation for those that mentioned stripper clip loading was a concern, I have not heard a claim though that you should be able to with this conversion. I will ask Wolverine Tuesday though to confirm this.
Wolverine is the Canadian distributor of this CZ so others may offer it but they are all coming through Wolverine anyway.
I believe Wolverine is responsable for the design and manufacture of the Mag well adapter as well
I have a CSA CZ 858 in 223 with a mag well adapter and pistol clips. It works beautifully and has never had a mistep
But I don't know if it is from wolverine as I bought it at Jo Brooks
I believe Wolverine is responsable for the design and manufacture of the Mag well adapter as well
I have a CSA CZ 858 in 223 with a mag well adapter and pistol clips. It works beautifully and has never had a mistep
But I don't know if it is from wolverine as I bought it at Jo Brooks
The CSA vz58 is a different gun and a different adapter as well from the CZ 858.
Do you know if your adapter is made by B&T?? That is who Wolverine has contracted to make the ones we are interested in. Thanks for posting!!!!!
Do you know if your adapter is made by B&T?? That is who Wolverine has contracted to make the ones we are interested in. Thanks for posting!!!!!
The CSA vz58 is a different gun and a different adapter as well from the CZ 858.
Do you know if your adapter is made by B&T?? That is who Wolverine has contracted to make the ones we are interested in. Thanks for posting!!!!!
There doesn't seem to be a makers mark on it but judging by its appearance I would say no
Easy way to tell right now is if its plastic its CSA, if its aluminum its B&T. CSA is looking into making a metal one so this may not be a valid method of differentiating in the future. Also IIRC the CSA uses an AR style mag release while the B&T is on the left side of the gun (from the shooter's perspective).
Also, my B&T adapter is clearly marked B&T.
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I notice that when the mag is emptied the bolt carrier does not lock back in the open position. When he changes to the next mag he manually cocks the rifle and again when emptied, the bolt is closed. He then uses the manual lock to keep the bolt open when making the rifle safe at the end.
I'm not sure why the loss of the empty mag open bolt carrier function if the manual lock still works. Seems odd?
On my CSA mag adapter the bolt does lock back when the clip is empty.
And from the description mine is definately plastic so it is a CSA
2CentTactical
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Is this something that the mags can be slightly modified to acheive with this adapter?
Mr Wolverine
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- Manitoba. Canada
Mag well adapter update. First some facts, you could say this is straight from the Horse’s mouth!
1 CSA and CZ are totally different companies. North Sylva import CSA and Wolverine Supplies import the CZ 858
2 When Wolverine Supplies were working as the importer for CSA we asked them to design and manufacture a Magwell adapter, we parted company before we saw their adapter and have had no input into the design. All the CSA adapters, there are two, a Gen I and a Gen II, are plastic. Please direct all questions on this adapter to North Sylva.
3 Wolverine Supplies requested Brugger & Thomett to build a Magwell adapter, these are aluminum and clearly marked B & T, our design requirements were:
Fit the CZ 858 rifle, caliber 7.62 x 39
Use the 10 rd 7.62 x 39 XCR pistol magazine
We did not request it also allows to be top loaded from stripper clips (I saw no requirement for this)
We accepted a left side mag release
We accepted no magazine activated bolt catch, this is no worse than an AK47 and less of an issue when using 10 rd mags.
The bolt catch is still in the gun and can be engaged manually when required
CZ 858 rifles would require a machined modification to the receiver in order to accept the Magwell adapter.
All rifles after machining, could be changed back to use the original CZ 5/30 rd magazines
The B&T adapter will not work with any .223 CSA rifles and carbines (It was not designed to)
4 Reliability reports;
We have an in house demo CZ 858 rifle than performs 100% see the U Tube video that we have posted.
I have heard of at least three others where the owners are delighted with their performance and it is early days yet.
I personally know of two CSA 7.62 x 39 carbines that are working 100% reliably
5 STOP PRESS! Please remember you heard it here first, straight from me. Today I personally started reliability tests on a CZ 858 that a customer sent to us to be fitted with the B&T adapter. Bottom line, it will not function, we are thinking that this is due to dimensional differences in the receivers. We are having to re-evaluate our machining. We have fitted the same adapter to a new rifle and just run 30 rds through the rifle using 3 different mags with no problems. We will be offering this customer an exchange, his old rifle for our new one at no extra charge.
I will update here in the future when I know more.
1 CSA and CZ are totally different companies. North Sylva import CSA and Wolverine Supplies import the CZ 858
2 When Wolverine Supplies were working as the importer for CSA we asked them to design and manufacture a Magwell adapter, we parted company before we saw their adapter and have had no input into the design. All the CSA adapters, there are two, a Gen I and a Gen II, are plastic. Please direct all questions on this adapter to North Sylva.
3 Wolverine Supplies requested Brugger & Thomett to build a Magwell adapter, these are aluminum and clearly marked B & T, our design requirements were:
Fit the CZ 858 rifle, caliber 7.62 x 39
Use the 10 rd 7.62 x 39 XCR pistol magazine
We did not request it also allows to be top loaded from stripper clips (I saw no requirement for this)
We accepted a left side mag release
We accepted no magazine activated bolt catch, this is no worse than an AK47 and less of an issue when using 10 rd mags.
The bolt catch is still in the gun and can be engaged manually when required
CZ 858 rifles would require a machined modification to the receiver in order to accept the Magwell adapter.
All rifles after machining, could be changed back to use the original CZ 5/30 rd magazines
The B&T adapter will not work with any .223 CSA rifles and carbines (It was not designed to)
4 Reliability reports;
We have an in house demo CZ 858 rifle than performs 100% see the U Tube video that we have posted.
I have heard of at least three others where the owners are delighted with their performance and it is early days yet.
I personally know of two CSA 7.62 x 39 carbines that are working 100% reliably
5 STOP PRESS! Please remember you heard it here first, straight from me. Today I personally started reliability tests on a CZ 858 that a customer sent to us to be fitted with the B&T adapter. Bottom line, it will not function, we are thinking that this is due to dimensional differences in the receivers. We are having to re-evaluate our machining. We have fitted the same adapter to a new rifle and just run 30 rds through the rifle using 3 different mags with no problems. We will be offering this customer an exchange, his old rifle for our new one at no extra charge.
I will update here in the future when I know more.
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2CentTactical
CGN Regular
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- Nova Scotia
With the adapter can the NEA bolt release still be used?
