Anyone reloading 7.62x39

I have two SKS rifles a 1970 Yugo M59/66A1 refurb and a 1965 Chinese /26\ I bought NIB several years ago. I shoot a little steel case ammo in them every now and then but the majority of my ammo is hand loads.

I hand load for everything I shoot that takes a primer and the SKS is no exception. I had full intention of doing so right from the start because in many cases the surplus or commercial ammo is neither consistent or accurate and the SKS is much more accurate than many people give them credit for provided you give it what it likes.

I load jacketed bullet from 123 to 187 gr. as well as cast bullet I cast myself from my Lee 160 gr. TL mold that drops a .313.5 dia. bullet cast from WW alloy. Both my rifles bores slugged out at .312 they both shoot the .310 dia. 123 gr. J bullet the most accurately but that's not to say that other weight's don't do well,in fact my 150 gr. SP and cast loads will out shoot any commercial or surplus ammo on the market,groups vary from one ragged hole to 1.5" or under provided I do my part.

My powders of choice are Alliant 2400 for cast loads and Reloader #7 for everything else,other powders like AA-1680,IMR or H-4198 and others all work fine as well but I get the best accuracy and bang for the buck with the powders I use as far as MV vs. charge weights. Reloader #7 works well with cast bullets also a starting load of 18.0 grs. will cycle any SKS rifle with the Lee cast bullet load that 2400 want.

My friend that has three Russian SKS rifles ran into that issue with shooting cast bullet using the Ed Harris 2400 load,one cycled fine,one about half the time and one not at all switching to the RL#7 solved that problem with no loss in accuracy in either rifle. Incidentally in my Chinese SKS my Chinese takes 12.5 grs to cycle the bolt reliably each time and it drops the brass right at my feet,MV is just a little over 1400 fps.with that load. My Yugo require the full charge of 15.0 grs. to cycle MV runs right around 1900 fps. but due to bolt speed the case end up about 15' away,my Chinese will do the same with the Max. load.

If loosing your reloadable brass is an issue there is somewhat of an easy fix to that but it requires a little time and and extra gas tube for your SKS I'll just link to the post instead of explaining it all but basically it amount to bleeding off excess gas pressure to slow down the bolt speed which affect only ejection pattern and distance,http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=116018 A couple of my friends have done the mod on spare gas tubes and no more chasing brass around. Again do this mod on a spare gas tube and not the original.

Some 5 shot 50 yd. groups with each rifle. The only modification to these rifles other than ammo was replacing the front sight post with the Techsight target post.
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Thanks, that was really informative. While I don't own an SKS I do reload one for my son. This was interesting and I will have to try some of these loads with his rifle. I agree about Rel 7. It is very reliable and produces some good groups with the 123 gr. Hornaday VMax.

Now, was that a teaser picture or what??!! Where did you get the Accelerators and what load do you use for them? Do you find a big difference when shooting them in terms of the sights? I used to use them in my .30-30 and I had to adjust the sights a lot to get them on at 100 yds. Have you chronographed them? Are they accurate compared to your other loads? Have to know!! :D:D


Some types of ammo I load.

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Thanks SKS50, That's some great info. Great shooting too by the way. :ar15: That's with a " Stock" rifle as well ??? Makes me wonder what better sights and bedding will do. PS. Would you care to share some powder loads that go with the different weights. :D
 
Well the Accelerators were a project I tinkered with a couple years ago just to see if it could be done and how well they shot. I used the same load of Reloader #7 I did with the 123 gr. Hornady SP's and used a Sierra 52 gr. flat base .224 dia. HP in the .308 dia. sabot. I got the sabots from http://www.eabco.com/reload02.html

I ran 5 rds. at a time through my Chinese SKS and it cycles just like any other ammo without a hitch. Accuracy was decent at 100 yds. around 4" but at 50 yds. soda cans were fairly easy to hit on a regular basis offhand. At the time I didn't own a chrono so I can't really say what the MV was but I'm sure it was a couple 100 fps. above factory 123 gr. MV.

I didn't have enough of the sabots and .224 dia. bullets to play around with other loads so they may shoot better with a different combination. I also believe that if somebody made a .310 dia. sabot that would be helpful also. I had fun with the load and may get around to working on it again later,to many other projects in the works at the moment.

Load data wise I just use the Lyman #47 or #48 load data for Reloader #7 with any .310 dia. 123 gr. Hornady bullet,that will include the V-MAX,FMJ or SP I ended up using 25.5 grs. of Reloader #7 as my accuracy load in both the Yugo and Chinese,that load also works well with the .311 Sierra 125 gr. SP. For 147 gr. Surplus Bulgarian FMJ's and the Prvi Partizan 150 gr. BTSP's I use 150 gr. load data from the Lee 2nd. Edition manual I settled on 24.0 grs. even. Another bullet I found that works well in the 150 gr. range in the my SKS rifles were the Speer .311 dia.150 gr. HotCor I found those to be very accurate as well.

As always though I would advise everyone to start at the Min. and work your own loads up not only for safety purposes but to find you own rifles sweet spot.
 
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Lot's of good thoughts there Gents. My rifle somehow is refurbed but unissued.. Non chromed barrel and all serial # match from what I have seen through the cosmo. I'm picking up a different laminated stock this weekend that I'm going to refinish and do some action bedding. Another thing I plan is some different sights. I quite like the idea of pulling the bullets from non corrosive Russian ammo and checking powder/changing bullets. Do you use carbide dies when you reseat your bullets ?

Nope. First thing I do is set up the bullet seater to seat the original bullet just a little deeper. This breaks the pitch seal on the mouth of the case/bullet. Then I set up my RCBS bullet puller and pull out as many as I want. Then dump out the powder from 10 and weigh it. Find the avg and charge 50 or so with that weight. Load wHatever I want then. If 123gn and I want to hunt with that weight, I load Sierra ProHunters in them. Usually I subtract 1.5gns and load 150gns. Those are good in my rifle and are accurate enough on deer out to 250yds (especially if used in my bolt rifle good to 300). I know, I'm gonna get flamed for that, but too bad.
When I shoot hand loads at the range I an SKS, I shoot through a large cardboard box with the ends cut out of it. Keeps the brass close. If I hunt with it, then I will give up the brass, but usually just use my "Mexican Matched" ammo. Once doctored, it shoots quite consistently.
 
Thanks SKS50 for all that great info. Looks like I'll be shopping for a set of dies now. It really didn't take much convincing ;) Rookie Wildcat, I won't be flaming you for hunting deer with a 7.62x39 whatever gun. It's not so much the gun but the Shooter.
 
The Lee RGB series aren't bad that's what I'm using rite now "live from the loading bench", just pulled 5 using the same method as rookie wildcat, just as I remember the shellac cases don't want to give up there treasures without a fight!

My cases come with 23.5gr military extruded in them, measured out 21.5gr on the scale and evened out 5 cases, pulled the decapper pin from my FL die and backed it off the shell plate 1/8" and neck sized all 5 cases no lube required they slide rite in and out, next I seated 147gr .308 tracer projectiles to a OAL of 2.220, now I turned the seating die in to the shell holder and backed the seating stem off several turns so I can just use the crimp ring in the die and crimp all 5 lightly by feel.

Also made 5rnds brass cased tracer,Lee 2nd edition says starting load H4895 max 28gr.c COL 2.220, the tail of the tracer adds close to 1/8" over a 147gr FB FMJ so at 27gr it's compressed pretty good... Actually the 5rnds of brass cased tracer will not seat beyond 2.273" wich will NOT seat in a tapco SKS magazine!!! They will however just squeak into a ASC 7.62x39 M4 mag.

Use this info at your own risk, start low and work up... You know the disclaimer.
 
was wondering if anyone here reloads for them and are they worth the bother ?


Yes and NO.

Yes i reload 7.62x39. And No, its not worth it for two reasons. Firstly, Commercial ammunition such as PRVI is some of the worlds best ammunition and with a good rifle, it can put 5 shots through a dime at 100 yards. Secondly, its a waste of time and money to lob top quality rounds out of an SKS that on average is lucky to shoot 4MOA (but let me guess, I'm sure yours shoots sub-MOA?)


On another note, MFS does not perform much better than surplus czeck ammo in my tac-driving CZ, and evidence of performing better in any of my SKS rifles is to the contrary. If you want to shoot precision groups in this caliber, you need to get a better quality rifle.


A Lada still performs like a Lada, no matter how good is the gas you put into it.



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I have two SKS rifles a 1970 Yugo M59/66A1 refurb and a 1965 Chinese /26\ I bought NIB several years ago. I shoot a little steel case ammo in them every now and then but the majority of my ammo is hand loads.

I hand load for everything I shoot that takes a primer and the SKS is no exception. I had full intention of doing so right from the start because in many cases the surplus or commercial ammo is neither consistent or accurate and the SKS is much more accurate than many people give them credit for provided you give it what it likes.

I load jacketed bullet from 123 to 187 gr. as well as cast bullet I cast myself from my Lee 160 gr. TL mold that drops a .313.5 dia. bullet cast from WW alloy. Both my rifles bores slugged out at .312 they both shoot the .310 dia. 123 gr. J bullet the most accurately but that's not to say that other weight's don't do well,in fact my 150 gr. SP and cast loads will out shoot any commercial or surplus ammo on the market,groups vary from one ragged hole to 1.5" or under provided I do my part.

My powders of choice are Alliant 2400 for cast loads and Reloader #7 for everything else,other powders like AA-1680,IMR or H-4198 and others all work fine as well but I get the best accuracy and bang for the buck with the powders I use as far as MV vs. charge weights. Reloader #7 works well with cast bullets also a starting load of 18.0 grs. will cycle any SKS rifle with the Lee cast bullet load that 2400 want.

My friend that has three Russian SKS rifles ran into that issue with shooting cast bullet using the Ed Harris 2400 load,one cycled fine,one about half the time and one not at all switching to the RL#7 solved that problem with no loss in accuracy in either rifle. Incidentally in my Chinese SKS my Chinese takes 12.5 grs to cycle the bolt reliably each time and it drops the brass right at my feet,MV is just a little over 1400 fps.with that load. My Yugo require the full charge of 15.0 grs. to cycle MV runs right around 1900 fps. but due to bolt speed the case end up about 15" away,my Chinese will do the same with the Max. load.

If loosing your reloadable brass is an issue there is somewhat of an easy fix to that but it requires a little time and and extra gas tube for your SKS I'll just link to the post instead of explaining it all but basically it amount to bleeding off excess gas pressure to slow down the bolt speed which affect only ejection pattern and distance,http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=116018 A couple of my friends have done the mod on spare gas tubes and no more chasing brass around. Again do this mod on a spare gas tube and not the original.

Some 5 shot 50 yd. groups with each rifle. The only modification to these rifles other than ammo was replacing the front sight post with the Techsight target post.
test010-1.jpg


Ammo008-1-1.jpg


Some types of ammo I load.
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Picture016.jpg

Cast.jpg

Great post! Thanks!!
 
The SKS isn't the only gun that shoots 7.62X39. I have a Baikal single shot, and for it I reload. The 7.62X39 is an excellent round in which to develop subsonic loads. My favourite is a 247 gr cast bullet bought from a Group Buy on "Castboolits.com", and my best load to date is over 4.0 grs of Red Dot for a consistent 725 fps. I extended the throat so that I can load it to an OAL of 2.525"

There are quite a few bullet weights with which to play. Anything from lighter than 100 grs to the usual 123 gr, then 150 gr and 174 gr. I favour the Higginsons WC-735 for the 150 gr and heavier bullets, while H4198 works well for all bullet weights.
 
I reload for my Ruger 77 and Ruger Mini 30 in 7.62x39, both with 308 barrels. I have had good results with the Sierra 125 SP (#2120). I am told that the newer Mini 30's have .310 barrels but I am unsure about this. The Sierra Manual states that they used both 308 bullets in a SKS and 310 bullets in a Mini 30 with acceptable results.
 
The SKS isn't the only gun that shoots 7.62X39. I have a Baikal single shot, and for it I reload. The 7.62X39 is an excellent round in which to develop subsonic loads. My favourite is a 247 gr cast bullet bought from a Group Buy on "Castboolits.com", and my best load to date is over 4.0 grs of Red Dot for a consistent 725 fps. I extended the throat so that I can load it to an OAL of 2.525"

There are quite a few bullet weights with which to play. Anything from lighter than 100 grs to the usual 123 gr, then 150 gr and 174 gr. I favour the Higginsons WC-735 for the 150 gr and heavier bullets, while H4198 works well for all bullet weights.

Care to share a few safe starting loads for WC735?
I have a pile of it now for .223 but if it works good in x39 even better!
 
Care to share a few safe starting loads for WC735?
I have a pile of it now for .223 but if it works good in x39 even better!

I only used those heavier bullets in the Baikal with the extended throat - not an SKS.

123gr - 30.0 grs (full case)
150gr - 28.0 grs
174gr - 26.0 grs
 
I load 21gr /IMR4198/150gr Sierra .311 and it rips 4 shot one ragged hole groups as well.Also 24gr/Win 748/with any .310 -123gr bullet.It is a Chinese older style SKS with blade bayonet.Harold
 
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