anyone think they would buy a Canadian made M14 chasis system?

I'd certainly be in for one....if for no other reason then me being an M14 gear whore...

I've got 45ACPKINGS CanSocom carring my Wetcoast chopmod, with UTG upper rails, Dlask flash hider, BoP GLFS base, Bushnell 2-6 LER scope in Weaver see through hi rings, with a Tactical Night Vision scope accessory rail, awaiting arrival of the Fastfire holosight, with a Vltor SopMod stock on Endine buffer tube for the stock assembly....
Waiting for the Falcon pistol grip, in green, and a certain T-pod, that will share guns for awhile...:D

The one thing most handlers comment on is the weight- 'course this isn't the AKM or Sage mount, but most are surprised...
It still weighs in under my old issue C1, so I ain't complaining.

Any thing that will cut weight, have lots of rails to hang cool s**t off of, be a nice tight fit, and offered at a decent price....hell yah....count me in...
 
We're thinking that modular is the way to go. So our system will have the primary sight rail integral and then all the secondary mounting points will be capable of bolting on pic rails of various lengths. This would keep the weight down to a minimum but still allow the user to mount up whatever they want in a variety of locations including 01:30 and 10:30 on the rifle.
 
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if you use use a 7075 in t6 or t651 it will be as strong as some plain carbon steels. This is a stock though. It doesn't have to be super strong.

Properly heat treated magnesium is plenty strong for this application, and lighter still. Best of luck to you supra! I can't wait to see what this thing looks like!

If I like it, I will buy some magnesium and see if you can machine one for me
 
That would be the absolute Cat's A**...
Hopefully, this will come to fruition, as I have a virgin M14 inbound from Marstar....and Baby' needs a fresh chassis, I'm sure....
 
I don't believe collecting opinions here will guide wannabe producer in right direction. The most beautiful designs are coming from engineer with vision and innovative ideas, often misunderstood by crowd, someone following his heart. Market-driven design will be full of compromises in attempt to please many and sell the thing to everyone, to the point wheree it will be mediocre chassis at best. Do we want it? Do you want it? Shoot M305 a lot, come up with something you think is right and we might like it too.
 
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When you make your system may be it's not the best for some other but's it's your system and it's the best for you, and if you wait all opinions you never make something, one want this, other want this, like this you never make something.

Go ahead, make one, test it, and it's all.

Fab
 
22lr said:
I don't believe collecting opinions here will guide wannabe producer in right direction. The most beautiful designs are coming from engineer with vision and innovative ideas, often misunderstood by crowd, someone following his heart. Market-driven design will be full of compromises in attempt to please many and sell the thing to everyone, to the point wheree it will be mediocre chassis at best. Do we want it? Do you want it? Shoot M305 a lot, come up with something you think is right and we might like it too.
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Agreed, to a point. However we feel it is better to get a feeling for what the market is looking for before starting anything. Not only that but whether or not there is a market. We are taking the feedback back from here added with the input from some very experienced shooters\tuners and developing a design.
 
Exactly John,

Getting a feel for what the market wants and their ideas is vital for any successful business.

Please keep them coming cause every one is considered whether or not it is used.
 
i like the approach you are taking with this.
I did much the same thing a year ago when i embarked on my stock ventures. I got a lot of feedback from fellow cgn'ers via threads just like this one Alsio the sheer volume of interest that was generated, showed me that the market was there, waiting to be satisfied.

BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME :D

and cheers :cheers: to possibly another home grown canadian manufactured firearm product. Looking forward to seeing your creations
 
I would be in line to get one. I think we need to support creative ideas and quality products that are domestically manufactured, especially for these types of items. Sounds like your stock will incorporate the best parts of the current offerings, and some additional refinements of your own. I'll start my 'stock savings fund' now (bah...not the crappy stock market type savings fund :runaway: - which I have never bought anyways:))
 
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to get a feeling... whether or not there is a market...
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again I have to disagree somewhat. There may be no market, heck, there is never a market for something truly new. Good things create their own market if they are good. This marketing fiddlefokking makes me think you fellas simply do not believe in yourselves or too shy or(worse) just want money and don't really care what you make - stock for a gun or bathroom shelving.

45ACPKING just said something like "if you build it they will come" - those are words to live by.
 
yup..... it's true ......
actually i'm sittin here with family on my momsy's computer and we were just chattin about my stocks ...... and gun nuts...... I was showin them some pics.
Dad said he thought i was nuts last year when i bought 5000.00 worth of supplies and materials and a barn full of usgi stocks on top of that :D
He also asked me to show him some pics of my personal stock........ would you believe, after a year, and well over a 100 stocks out my door and I haven't managed to keep one of my custom m14 stocks for myself. I have my custom 303 stock, win 70 ....... and a couple others....... but no fancy m14 stock for me ...... gonna have to whip one up for the new year.
New years resolution for Suprathepeg and company............ BUILD IT...... They will come ;)

and yes i absolutely stole that line from a movie.......... so what :dancingbanana:
 
Thanks for your support 45ACPacking! I think some people have no idea what goes into projects like this but be not affraid we have already began development of many product the m14 stock being only one. Those who are following the RR forum will know that we have products ready to hit the market in the new year. Canadians want good products and they are and will get them.

The support of CGNs has been fantastic. So like I've said before keep your ideas coming cause we hear every one.
 
CAD drawings of the optics mounting system are gonna be happening over the holidays. Hopefully we will have a working prototype and some pics in Febuary!
 
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I think this is a bit harsh and your position is generally reflected in the large % of new products and businesses that fail.

Good Business people employ good business practices. That includes doing due diligence, market research and creating a well formulated strategic plan.

"If you build it they will come" is the principle of John DeLorean, New Coke, and the "Spork".

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again I have to disagree somewhat. There may be no market, heck, there is never a market for something truly new. Good things create their own market if they are good. This marketing fiddlefokking makes me think you fellas simply do not believe in yourselves or too shy or(worse) just want money and don't really care what you make - stock for a gun or bathroom shelving.

45ACPKING just said something like "if you build it they will come" - those are words to live by.
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Well we've begun prototyping and things are looking good so far. We still haven't decided on the final material yet, we're waiting on some details and material specs before we commit.

We're looking at some carbon fiber reinforced polymers right now too. They seem to offer some very good initial promise but only time will tell. the good thing about the polymers is that they offer the shooter increased comfort in cold and hot weather. Keep the suggestions coming though because like I said before we listen to every one.
 
Some thoughts on the use of irons and optics, if your design allows....

While I don't have/haven't tried the conventional chassis mounts floating around for the M14, I do run one of my chopped '14's in a 45ACPKING modified USGI fiberglass stock, with a UTG quad rail fore end.

One of the things I like about the mount (aside from 'UTG' being spelled upside down on the mount....), is the ability to transition to irons, with a scope mounted.
Admittedly, this is a fluke of the design- with conventional rings, it wouldn't be possible to see the front sight at all. The use of Weaver see through hi's makes it possible to acquire the top 25% of the front sight, with the rear sight set for 200.

Some (fuzzy...) shots through the rear sight:

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The gap in the lower ring assembly is the only reason you can pick up the sight picture:

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Some more thought put into the design of the upper raised portion of the rail would have allowed the use of either a conventional riser, if the tunnel was higher, or allowed the use of a see through riser (possibly...) if the tunnel was lowered:

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Stock alignment makes it possible to change cheek weld from irons to optics, no problem at all:

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If your upper rail comes all the way back across the action, the old style arms 18 mount is the way to go- can't recall if it has the machining to allow use of stripper clips....but that would be advantageous (not my rifle; pic is from the web...):

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So, just a few things it would be 'nice to see', on a Canadian built system...:D
 
Yea we considered some of those points in our thought process.

The major issue I have with trying to retain the factory irons is cheek weld and muscle memory. When your rifle is setup to be comfortable with irons and then you mount the scope high enough to see the irons you have essentially mounted your primary optic (in this case your scope) as a secondary optic because it is now too high for proper cheek weld. When you're under stress, excited or your heart rate is heightened for whatever reason you will instinctively go to whatever is most comfortable or most practiced. So now the question is what is most natural and comfortable?

In my opinion your rifle should be simple in execution so you have your primary optic (scope in this case) ready to go and you secondary optic (irons) capable of easy deployment without changing how you use the rifle. This is something that was discovered with the M16A2 platform and people came up with BUIS systems. We have chosen to fallow this path for the reasons stated above. Our goal is to have a simple, light and effective platform that offers the end user the ability to kit their rifle out in a manor that would be most effective for them. As it stands right now our system will require the removal of the factory rear sight, not a huge issue with norc users as these are generally junk on the m14s anyhow.

Also notice in the last pic the user has zap strapped some cloth to the underside of his scope to protect if from stray shells. Not something we want our users needing to do.
 
So, given the above, a reliable Canadian source for quality BUIS is required.
It's not getting any easier sourcing those from the States.

Not willing to go the Leapers route yet, but would, as soon as their rail plain, as opposed to 'gas block', FFS is available, from the distributors here in Canada. This, however, still leaves us dependent on a 'foreign' source for irons.

Any chance for some 'concept sketches' soon....:D
 
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