Anyone using a 9.3x57
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The performance is roughly the same as the 358 Winchester, and that's not a bad place to be. Recoil is no worse, accuracy depends on a great many things other then caliber, bullets aren't tough to find, but brass is. You can neck up 8X57 brass, or neck up and shorten 30-06 brass (my usual route). Most of my hunting loads are with the 270 gr Speer bullet in this caliber, and it works very, very well at the velocities attainable. - dan
This is a cartridge that I have been really interested in too, very tempted to buy one for a good brush gun. I was going to post this same question yesterday but didn't do it for some strange reason.
I look forward to what guys have to say about it.
I look forward to what guys have to say about it.
I use mine with iron sights for bad weather/thick brush (think swamp willows mostly) hunting. The .366 270 gr bullet will drop a whitetail, elk or moose, with no trouble at all. - dan
What range do you figure your safe taking those animals at? I assume its gotta be effective out to 200 yards, will it reach out to 300. Trajectory like a rainbow I'm sure
I'm not use to big and slow, and when I see a bullet moving at 2000fps I wonder how much animal it can travel through before that 2000fps is reduced to zero...
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We have a good assortment of 9.3 bullets and brass in stock. We should have the dies back in stock in the next week or so.
http://www.tradeexcanada.com/index.php?option=com_paxgallery&task=table&gid=12
http://www.tradeexcanada.com/index.php?option=com_paxgallery&task=table&gid=12
I use the PP 286 in mine at a factory duplication level of 2070 fps over the chrony at 15 ft. With H-335 and Winchester 8x57 brass resized to 9.3 I find it and the rifle's they come in to be a nifty kickback to a different era. Mine shoots well with the jacketed PP , but I haven't been able to get it to shoot cast very well so far. I use a weaver K-3 with the post on mine and it makes a 100-125/150 yd rifle out of it. 200 would be stretching it with the large coarse post. With a 3-9 off the bench mine will print 3 shot groups from 1 1/8 to 1 3/8 consistently even though the "very good" bore is frosted and the rifling somewhat less than sharp.
a word of caution buying dies, the hornady seating die will not work with cast bullets over .366, the seating plug is machined to extremely tight tolerances and will shave your bullets, stick them in the die and require dissasembly to drive them out. The expander/resizing die works great.
a word of caution buying dies, the hornady seating die will not work with cast bullets over .366, the seating plug is machined to extremely tight tolerances and will shave your bullets, stick them in the die and require dissasembly to drive them out. The expander/resizing die works great.
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Well, with iron sights on mine it's a 100 yard gun tops, because that's about the best I can do. I don't see why with a scope on it you couldn't use it out to 250 or so. After that would depend on the bullet and how well you jusdge distance. - dan
I got my first two more than 25 years ago. Had Bevan King build me a matched pair on Turkish Mausers. Since I was getting two done, he bought the reamer, and I paid for everything else. He still has the reamer, and it cuts a very fine chamber.
Both were very accurate, and so amazing in the field, that a buddy started calling them 358 Win Magnums. Quite a compliment!
All I loaded in them was the 286 Norma Dual Core.
Ted
Both were very accurate, and so amazing in the field, that a buddy started calling them 358 Win Magnums. Quite a compliment!
All I loaded in them was the 286 Norma Dual Core.
Ted
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I sure miss mine and would get another if the opportunity arose [read afford another 9,3]. If you get one in a 98 action from Anthony they are really long throated. I had no trouble reaching 2400fps with the 270gr Speer. You may want to get a taller front sight with a load like that. They were made to shoot the 286 at a more modest velocity so this other load will hit 8" high at 100yds!
Recoil wise, they are a pussy cat with the standard velocity loads. It is in the 338-06 realm with the top load. I used H335 just like Bwana Dave. Only one animal was shot with it, a grand bull moose at roughly 140yds, he was planted into the ground before the barrel came down from recoil.
If you are hunting inside 250yds one would be hard pressed not to give one of these rifles a fair shake. I'll have another some day for sure!
Noel
Recoil wise, they are a pussy cat with the standard velocity loads. It is in the 338-06 realm with the top load. I used H335 just like Bwana Dave. Only one animal was shot with it, a grand bull moose at roughly 140yds, he was planted into the ground before the barrel came down from recoil.
If you are hunting inside 250yds one would be hard pressed not to give one of these rifles a fair shake. I'll have another some day for sure!
Noel
Go for it. Anthony will take care of you and the gun will be at least as good as he describes it.
Go for it. Anthony will take care of you and the gun will be at least as good as he describes it.
that has been my experience, whatever the grade on tradex, bump it up a notch.
i have played around a bit with the 9.3x57 with 232 grain norma bullets. i posted some loads in the reloading forum. basically with the open sights, if you want speed you will need a taller front sight. IIRC at just over 2000 fps the 232 grainers shot to POA at 100 yards, faster went progressively higher. but i figure a .366", 232 grain bullet at 2000 fps would make a good deer load. i did find an elk when i was carrying this rifle, but had my field glasses in hand when i should have been using the rifle.
i have some 286 grain NP's but am going to bed the action before playing with them because i am concerned that the stock might split.
with proper loads, the 9.3x57 should do for anything on this continent, and can excede the original 9.3x62 ballistics that earned such a reputation in africa.
keep in mind though that there are both '96 and '98 style actions in this cartridge, i am not an expert but in a '96 i wouldn't excede norma factory ballistics, they are probably set for a reason. in fact, in a '98 i probably wouldn't either because a 286 grainer at around 2100 fps should do just fine, and have enough recoil in these light rifles.
Sheesh Noel....have ever run your load through an internal ballistics calculator? Speer 270 bullet at 2400f/s with H335 equals some scarey pressures. Your load must be between 52-53 grains running at pressures over 55000 CUP.
Haven't had the rifle for over a year now so off the top of my head I do not recall the charge weight.
Did you take into account at least .250" of freebore and the fact that I had the bullet seated almost as long as the COL of a 9,3x62, the type of brass used (for case volume) etc?
I did not calculate the pressure but measured cases before and after firing for stretch as well as expansion to which I had no case head expansion. Case stretch was virtually nil. Primers still had a nice radius, not flattened. Extraction was slick as butter.
Don't know what else to tell ya, IF they were too hot I never would have stayed with the load nor would I ever post the details to get someone's head blown off. Without having the gun in hand and working with the load and your calculations program all at the same time it is real hard to weigh all the variables. It would be interesting to know tho!
The rule of thumb I used for figuring out the velocity I thought was obtainable was from an article in reloader magazine likely 10 years ago. By taking a 7x57 case and necking it up to 9,3x57 you can gain 1/4 (IIRC) more velocity for the amount you neck up in the same bullet weight. Again, this is fuzzy for me to put here off the top of my head and would have to check my notes.
Another rough guestimate was going from the typical Xx57 velocity compared to the Xx62 velocity. There is usually a 150fps difference between say the 7x57 to the 280 rem or say the 8x57 to 8mm-06. The same was applied to the9,3x57 to 9,3x62.
My Speer manual listed the 270gr pill just short of 2600 so my goal was 2400 in the x57 case. That was what I achieved and don't forget that was seated as long as it would feed reliably from the usual standard length Mauser magazine. This left a bit extra volume in the case which would also drop the pressure.
I am far from knowing it all in the world of reloading, if my thinking is wrong then pay me no mind.
Let me know where I am going wrong tho so I can get back on track. Nothing led me to believe I was over loaded with this gun. Only thing I didn't do which I should have was bed the action so it wouldn't have cracked when shooting it.My matched pair of 9.3X57 rifles, both 98s built by Bevan King, would each get 2300 fps with 286 gr bullets and BallC2. I used that load since the early eighties with no problem.
Never had a blown primer, or even enlarged primere pockets, so don't think Noel getting 2400 with a 270 is out to lunch at all.
You must remember that 98 mausers have been routinely barreled up for cartridges like the 270, 7mm Mag, 300 Win, etc ever since those cartridges came along. My 270 Wby is on a 98 and gets 3500+ fps with 130s and right on 3200 with 150s with tight primer pockets and good case life.
Ted
Never had a blown primer, or even enlarged primere pockets, so don't think Noel getting 2400 with a 270 is out to lunch at all.
You must remember that 98 mausers have been routinely barreled up for cartridges like the 270, 7mm Mag, 300 Win, etc ever since those cartridges came along. My 270 Wby is on a 98 and gets 3500+ fps with 130s and right on 3200 with 150s with tight primer pockets and good case life.
Ted
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It certainly is, especially with that new 250gr Accubond (I never found any of the dicontinued 250gr Noslers before). It would shoot a half decent trajectory to 250yds which is really all I need.
The old 57 case still teases me and I can easily see another in my safe eventually. The ZG47 might grow legs if that day ever came.
Thank you for additional info Noel, as that did make a huge difference in how the numbers played out. Chasing the rifling was definetely the way to go to achieve those velocities, however, you would be at max pressures for sure.
I must apologize, as I did not mean to imply anything except for concern over the pressures. When I plugged the numbers in originally, I seated the bullet caliber deep, thus the source of the high pressure number.
I must apologize, as I did not mean to imply anything except for concern over the pressures. When I plugged the numbers in originally, I seated the bullet caliber deep, thus the source of the high pressure number.
