Anyone watch Trophy on CNN

I understand your reasoning but my ethics would not change just because I went to Africa.

No, but the problem is, if the private breeding and harvesting is stopped, and no one steps in to fill the need (governments - which will hesitate to spend millions and millions on animals when there is not enough money to deal with human problems), it will be too late to say "oops, that didn't work". Rhino's, elephants, lions, etc., may be gone by then. As I mentioned earlier, the "activist" groups have done nothing. Governments have done little. That leaves private citizens.
 
Then let me preserve some animals of the "wild" species on my land and you can have all the access you want to their non existant wild animals on provincial crown lands in the coming decade. I will even return the animals back to the wild, I just need some sperm and eggs and I will start the herds myself and grow them using artificial insemination. Just make it legal and I will gladly preserve the wild genetics behind my fences.

Soon wildlife will only be in a museum and zoos to remind near sighted people like you of how foolish you were to believe society could ever commit to keeping wildlife safe on public lands for future generations. You must really have faith in your governments abilities to manage wildlife for tomorrow.

And there it goes. "Let" you raise your own animals? Nobody is stopping you, put up your fence, buy your breeding stock, and fill your boots. If you are so convinced wildlife will be nonexistent in ten years then you should be sitting on a goldmine right? Myself I think you should quit cutting people down and get out more.
 
If you cast a fishing rod with bait into a lake that has been stocked with fingerling fish like walleye, perch and trout are you fishing?

Now if that lake was stocked by the government run hatchery is that more to your liking than a private citizen paying for the fry to stock his own lake in the middle of his 10,000 acres and charge people admission to fish?

Might not be your preferred method of hunting but would you feel better if you knew that no one else could get their animal like that because you felt it was immoral and you detested their method enough to outright ban it?

I'm 100% in support of private hunt preserves as I am 100% in support of provincial crown lands open to hunting by licensed citizens or non residents when game populations are large enough to sustain harvest of wild species in quantities that will not decrease game populations.

Are you??

No that is not my preferred method of fishing or hunting, but to be clear I have no desire to ban it for anyone else. I said "honest question" and I meant it. Not attacking you. I disagree with you but respect your position.
 
I know its going to cause a lot of controversy here but the guy who shot the lion should be ashamed to call himself a hunter.
No way! then he crys like some child. I actually wondered about his mental stability.
They shot several dozen gazelle to use as bait for this guy and then determined that a lion was coming to one site, so they set him up in a tree to shoot the lion.
I actually feel sorry for these guys who put out the big bucks on these canned hunts.
They have no idea and as far as I'm concerned give real hunters a bad rep.
I have no idea how anyone could see this in a positive light

funny you said that. and in Canada there is people saying we should not hunt grizzly .... who is the real hunter? you and not the others?
 
I understand your reasoning but my ethics would not change just because I went to Africa.

I can respect that, but no one is forcing you to partake in this kind of hunt. We all have different views on ethics in hunting, which are based on a combination of regional legalities, what's considered acceptable and personal standards. Just because you don't consider it ethical, doesn't mean that it applies to everyone.
 
I can respect that, but no one is forcing you to partake in this kind of hunt. We all have different views on ethics in hunting, which are based on a combination of regional legalities, what's considered acceptable and personal standards. Just because you don't consider it ethical, doesn't mean that it applies to everyone.

I completely agree, but I do salute the fact that you consider these personal values old hound......

I personally won’t shoot anything I can’t eat, unless it’s a vermin or overpopulated species (and I am also a trapper).... but I sure don’t enforce that on anyone else..... we are all in this together....
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/us/trophy-film-big-game-hunting-convention/index.html
 
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I completely agree, but I do salute the fact that you consider these personal values old hound......

I personally won’t shoot anything I can’t eat, unless it’s a vermin or overpopulated species (and I am also a trapper).... but I sure don’t enforce that on anyone else..... we are all in this together....

I don't shoot anything I don't eat, either. Haven't had a reason to shoot vermin other than stray cats that were disease carriers. Anyone that kills an animal and lets the meat go to waste should be castrated with a rusty spoon, but if commercial trophy hunting keeps species from extinction, then I fully support it.
 
I didn't get to watch the full 2 hour Doc. It was interesting and disheartening to see rhinos getting pooched or big game being shot huddled against a fence and calling it hunting .

The only solutuon that human beings have come up with to save certain animals is by breeding them for being shot by rich folks. Pay 100k, fly in for 1-2 days, shoot it point blank and fly home.


There is the hunter who verify animal droppings and tracks. Than there is douchebag who gets his chaueffer to drive up to the man-made watering-hole trap to shoot his prey.
 
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I reluctantly watched this. Although the effort was made to be objective, it was anti hunting in my opinion. A few things stood out for me. If the guy shooting the croc in a man made enclosure is how hunting is portrayed then help us all, what an absolute moron. Not an elephant hunting expert but I'm pretty sure a head shot is most desirable and if the animal is alive when you walk up to it why not finish it off? There are still wild places to hunt in Africa and this was not addressed, nor was the objectivity of what it looks like to ban all hunting. Kenya is a perfect example, banned all hunting in 1976 and since has seen a decline of 70% to all its species. I didn't feel like this documentary portrayed or represented in what I believe in as a hunter.
 
I watched this recently and it seemed to me that it was focused solely on the controversial aspects of Africa hunting, obviously attempting to chase the ratings. Our area in South Africa is privately owned and has low fence. It is also 100 % self sustaining, no put and take of animals or breeding. Seems to me they completely left out this aspect of South Africa both from a hunting and conservation aspect.
 
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