Anywhere in Canada To get sako ejector installed in a 700 action
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It is a terrible thing to do to a Remington action. In the U.S. there have been injuries and a death associated with this conversion.
Sako extractors in a Remington. They are strong BUT they are not as strong and safe as the original 700 set up. Remington's 3 rings of steel surrounding the case head support the brass under extreme pressure as no other set up does. The case does not rupture due to all the support. You may not be able to open the bolt, and when removing the barrel you find the case head "welded" to the bolt face. I have seen that with a 222. The brass almost had to be machined off the bolt. I had to install a new extractor and there was no other damage to the rifle. I had one case of a 303 British fired in a 7mm Mag... I had to remove the barrel as the bolt was locked shut, but the case removed from the bolt face then with no damage at all. These incidents show how great the design is of the 700 system. I do not think there is a better extractor system. That is my belief anyway. I have seen other commercial actions blown to pieces or damaged beyond repair. I have never seen that of a 700. (Not to say it has not happened, but it must be rare)
The angle of ejection is changed a lot with the Sako conversion. Take a factory 700 bolt and look at the face of it. Take a case and insert it into the bolt face and observe where the ejector wants to push it. That angle is only slightly higher than straight sideways. With the Sako extractor fitted as close to the top of the right locking lug as you can, the angle of ejection with a fired case is high enough to always hit a 30mm scope tube with low mounts, or the windage adjustment turret. A fired case is shorter than a loaded round and has no weight at the front of it to help hold it down. I found out all this when I did the first and only conversion I have done, on a customer’s request. The conversion was done perfectly and as close to the locking lug as possible. I encountered no problems doing it. I recommend not doing the conversion now.
With a Sako style conversion, you remove the total support of the design when you machine a slot length wise to install the Sako extractor. This causes a weaker area where one of the 3 rings of steel has now been removed. Total support has been reduced, and if a case ruptures the gases may blow back through this area with the extractor. It is the weakest link in the support of the case now.
I feel the conversion to Sako style is unsafe... it isn't as strong or safe as the original 700 extractor and the angle of ejection changes a lot... enough to cause some people problems.
I have had very few problems with 700 extractors.
Sako extractors in a Remington. They are strong BUT they are not as strong and safe as the original 700 set up. Remington's 3 rings of steel surrounding the case head support the brass under extreme pressure as no other set up does. The case does not rupture due to all the support. You may not be able to open the bolt, and when removing the barrel you find the case head "welded" to the bolt face. I have seen that with a 222. The brass almost had to be machined off the bolt. I had to install a new extractor and there was no other damage to the rifle. I had one case of a 303 British fired in a 7mm Mag... I had to remove the barrel as the bolt was locked shut, but the case removed from the bolt face then with no damage at all. These incidents show how great the design is of the 700 system. I do not think there is a better extractor system. That is my belief anyway. I have seen other commercial actions blown to pieces or damaged beyond repair. I have never seen that of a 700. (Not to say it has not happened, but it must be rare)
The angle of ejection is changed a lot with the Sako conversion. Take a factory 700 bolt and look at the face of it. Take a case and insert it into the bolt face and observe where the ejector wants to push it. That angle is only slightly higher than straight sideways. With the Sako extractor fitted as close to the top of the right locking lug as you can, the angle of ejection with a fired case is high enough to always hit a 30mm scope tube with low mounts, or the windage adjustment turret. A fired case is shorter than a loaded round and has no weight at the front of it to help hold it down. I found out all this when I did the first and only conversion I have done, on a customer’s request. The conversion was done perfectly and as close to the locking lug as possible. I encountered no problems doing it. I recommend not doing the conversion now.
With a Sako style conversion, you remove the total support of the design when you machine a slot length wise to install the Sako extractor. This causes a weaker area where one of the 3 rings of steel has now been removed. Total support has been reduced, and if a case ruptures the gases may blow back through this area with the extractor. It is the weakest link in the support of the case now.
I feel the conversion to Sako style is unsafe... it isn't as strong or safe as the original 700 extractor and the angle of ejection changes a lot... enough to cause some people problems.
I have had very few problems with 700 extractors.
John Spartan
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I was looking at this as a possibility for a custom gun project, but decided not to for the reasons Guntech mentioned. Went with a MRC 1999 action instead.
Even though I do not have the experience with firearms as Guntech or many other gunsmiths across North America, but why would one do a modification to a gun that may jeopardize the structural integrity of it? Many say they have the modification done because of ectractor failures. I have yet to have one and have talked with many that have never had one as well. Yes Sako extractors are wonderful, on a Sako. I love the one on my Sako. I personally feel the only place for one is on a hunting gun. I hate to see my brass flung to the ground like that if it were my Lapua 6BR brass. Maybe for rapid fire they are great because the brass clears the action quickly. I feel in a custom gun project stay with the Rem extractor and if anything have the extractor spring lightened as to not fling the brass out of the action. I have to thank Guntech for this. I would have never thought of it.
I also wonder when the question is asked can I lighten the action by removing the metal from hear or there. If one wants lighter, buy lighter or go custom alum action for the build.
JMO
Calvin
I also wonder when the question is asked can I lighten the action by removing the metal from hear or there. If one wants lighter, buy lighter or go custom alum action for the build.
JMO
Calvin
This conversion was popular when converting the 700 to 6ppc, and ppc based cases. The Rem 700 extractors are not made for a 6ppc radius, and some ppc cases were thin toward the head. The Sako conversion enabled more of the cartridge head to be in the barrel, instead of the bolt face.
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i had a 721 done, it was opened up for the 338 L cartridge. works good, and all that, havent had a prob.
however, if you want to just put in the sako extractor for the same case as the bolt was built for....your wasteing your $$$
however, if you want to just put in the sako extractor for the same case as the bolt was built for....your wasteing your $$$
