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pavmentsurfer said:
Tried to find info online about this,
How does it take down? I see the lower comes off with 2 pins, but how does the upper come apart?
Do you have any pics of the gas system?
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Hopefully my sample from the RCMP will be back tomorrow and then I can post some photos. Take down is very simple.

Unload and clear gun
Push out rear take down pin which is captive
Pivot lower assemble down,
Pull butt stock to rear.
Pull out Operating spring assembly
Slide bolt to rear , remove charging handle and bolt slides out to the rear
Push in detent give the gas lock a 1/2 turn and pull out
Gas piston and spring assemble slides out to the front
The upper receiver and barrel is one unit and requires no further stripping.


Odds and ends.

Flash hider thread is metric, M15 x 1

The hand guard also supports the gas block, remove 2 screws and it slides forward! Not so easy, this Swiss engineering, you need a rubber hammer to tap her all the way off. Not something I would ever normally do on my gun.

Barrel removable, appears to be simple, remove 8 screws and knock her out of the receiver. She looks such a good fit I am not trying as I have ne reason to.

Trigger pull, right now I only have a select fire APC300 trigger very good, take up the slack and there is a crisp pull of 4-5 lbs but this is a select fire group so we should not pay to much attention to her weight.

I will add more info as I have it.
 
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Mr Wolverine said:
Hopefully my sample from the RCMP will be back tomorrow and then I can post some photos. Take down is very simple.

Unload and clear gun
Push out rear take down pin which is captive
Pivot lower assemble down,
Pull butt stock to rear.
Pull out Operating spring assembly
Slide bolt to rear , remove charging handle and bolt slides out to the rear
Push in detent give the gas lock a 1/2 turn and pull out
Gas piston and spring assemble slides out to the front
The upper receiver and barrel is one unit and requires no further stripping.


Odds and ends.

Flash hider thread is metric, I have it some where but not to hand.

The hand guard also supports the gas block, remove 2 screws and it slides forward! Not so easy, this Swiss engineering, you need a rubber hammer to tap her all the way off. Not something I would ever normally do on my gun.

Barrel removable, appears to be simple, remove 8 screws and knock her out of the receiver. She looks such a good fit I am not trying as I have ne reason to.

Trigger pull, right now I only have a select fire APC300 trigger very good, take up the slack and there is a crisp pull of 4-5 lbs but this is a select fire group so we should not pay to much attention to her weight.

I will add more info as I have it.
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Would it be possible to ask Factory to cut threads 0.5-28tpi for the Non restricted barrels?

I sure would like to have the option to swap out muzzle devices freely with whats available to us in North America.
 
rambones said:
Would it be possible to ask Factory to cut threads 0.5-28tpi for the Non restricted barrels?

I sure would like to have the option to swap out muzzle devices freely with whats available to us in North America.
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I guess anything is possible if you are prepared to pay for it! Seriously the feeling I get from CGN is that everything we offer is to much money. When we look at ordering a product we try and do everything we can to keep the cost down. We can not do this with special calibers, barrel lengths, different gas systems, muzzle threads etc. I am very sorry but our market is simply not large enough to support a handful of special request. Also if the thread was 1/2 x 28 how would they attach and sell you their own quality flash hider. This would be like ordering a new Chevy truck but asking Chevy to fit a Ford carburetor in it. :)

I think you should have just enough barrel length to have a custom shop take your barrel and cut off the metric threads and rethread to your choice. That is the best I can do for you.
 
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Mr Wolverine said:
I guess anything is possible if you are prepared to pay for it! Seriously the feeling I get from CGN is that everything we offer is to much money. When we look at ordering a product we try and do everything we can to keep the cost down. We can not do this with special calibers, barrel lengths, different gas systems, muzzle threads etc. I am very sorry but our market is simply not large enough to support a handful of special request.

I think you should have just enough barrel length to have a custom shop take your barrel cut of the metric threads and rethread to your choice. That is the best I can do for you.
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No Worries John, just thought I would ask. And thank you for bringing these in :)
 
rambones said:
No Worries John, just thought I would ask. And thank you for bringing these in :)
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Thanks for your understanding but the more we can standardise the lower we can keep the price. I would love to offer a full customisation service but the market wouldn't stand it. Cheers :)

My dream for years has been to offer a non restricted sub $2,000 5.56 rifle. I have drawn up some unique very basic designs of my own, but I do not have the skills to manufacture such a rifle. I have talked to manufacture's all over the world but no luck yet. I even talked to ArmaLite to build the AR180B under licence in Canada but unless I was talking tens of thousands for several years it was not going to happen. Then we also have to consider how our Government would react to such plans.
 
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Mr Wolverine said:
I guess anything is possible if you are prepared to pay for it! Seriously the feeling I get from CGN is that everything we offer is to much money. When we look at ordering a product we try and do everything we can to keep the cost down. We can not do this with special calibers, barrel lengths, different gas systems, muzzle threads etc. I am very sorry but our market is simply not large enough to support a handful of special request. Also if the thread was 1/2 x 28 how would they attach and sell you their own quality flash hider. This would be like ordering a new Chevy truck but asking Chevy to fit a Ford carburetor in it. :)

I think you should have just enough barrel length to have a custom shop take your barrel and cut off the metric threads and rethread to your choice. That is the best I can do for you.
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I'm buying this gun because I don't have to tinker with it, I'm happy with their flash hider.
 
I would rather NOT have a 1/7 twist, 1in8 or even better 1in9 would be my preference, we're not shooting tracers here!

lothar walther are button barrels or cold hammer forge barrels, i love the 1in9 twist rate of that barrel.
 
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