Sakoman .308
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Wow, that is pretty bad. It sounds like a rough place.
Apparently it was somebody elses "spot"
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Wild_Thing
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Entrenched criminality.
KMG Canada
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- Alfred, Ontario
I lived in Salisbury while stationed in Moncton with the Army. I use to hunt for grouse, bear, deer and often hunted near Buckley Road and over by Monteagle Rd as well. Never really had any problems with locals as an outsider but was approached often to find out who I was. The one exception was moose season, people blocked roads and had people cutting off access to trails etc. I wonder if there is more to this story ...
What, all you guys that say "I'm insured", got 0$ deductible? Well I can't afford that kind of insurance and so I get $500 deductible, and with a claim the rates go up. 500 bucks ain't peanuts to me!
Sorry to hear about your troubles. I have had similar experiences in NB. I'm a long time student (5 years) at various school in NB, which provides me with the privilege to hunt as a NB resident when attending school (NS resident legally).
I have been heckled, yelled at, sites vandalized, and once even had death threats hollered at me. I get the frustration some feel, especially near urban centers where hunting pressure can be high, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I have been heckled, yelled at, sites vandalized, and once even had death threats hollered at me. I get the frustration some feel, especially near urban centers where hunting pressure can be high, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Similar things happen allot in NS. The whole rural - urban divide. God forbid a guy who likes from Halifax likes to hunt. The yokels in the counties act like we are coming to steal their women.
I used to hunt with a group of guys that were, for lack of a better term, held hostage by poachers. These poachers would openly jack deer all around the camp and the old fellas were too scared to call the police or DNR for fear they would get their camp burned down.
Its a maritime mentality.
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My wife and I looked around for two years before buying our woodlot. We saw plenty that were adjacent to crown land. Initially we thought that the adjacent crown land would expand our hunt area. However, most of the of the crown was littered with other hunter's trails and stands. After talking to some friends with land adjacent to crown land we decided not to buy. They were experiencing higher rates of trespassers, vandalism, poachers, and break-ins.
We eventually found a woodlot surrounded by private land in a municipality with little crown land. We've met the neighbors. One is a farmer that takes one deer a year. The other is a fireman that doesn't hunt who uses his land in summer only, and the back neighbors are retired school teachers that rarely step outside. I now provide water (creek) and food plots to retain deer that bed down in the fireman's woodlot as they cross over to get to the neighbors fields. So far no trespassers. We also have each others cell numbers and watch out for each others property.
We do encounter guys that block entire cuts and roads up north during our moose hunt. It is frustrating. This year we hunted in a remote provincial park with canoe portage access only, thinking that we'd be far enough from all other hunters and have a better chance at moose. The hunting was great but the MNR (two trucks four guys) were waiting at our trucks when we got back. The outfitters ferrying Americans to remote fly in camps called and complained that there were hunters on "their lakes". We saw a couple of fly in fishing lodges in the park. They were closed for the season and no one was hunting there. I guess they were worried we'd break into their camps (or maybe pissed that we took the pilots moose that he'd been flying over all week).
It was posted on another thread but check out la guerre des bois about what hunter in Quebec have to go through. http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/195271/
I personally wouldn't hunt in Quebec with an Ontario plate on the truck.
We eventually found a woodlot surrounded by private land in a municipality with little crown land. We've met the neighbors. One is a farmer that takes one deer a year. The other is a fireman that doesn't hunt who uses his land in summer only, and the back neighbors are retired school teachers that rarely step outside. I now provide water (creek) and food plots to retain deer that bed down in the fireman's woodlot as they cross over to get to the neighbors fields. So far no trespassers. We also have each others cell numbers and watch out for each others property.
We do encounter guys that block entire cuts and roads up north during our moose hunt. It is frustrating. This year we hunted in a remote provincial park with canoe portage access only, thinking that we'd be far enough from all other hunters and have a better chance at moose. The hunting was great but the MNR (two trucks four guys) were waiting at our trucks when we got back. The outfitters ferrying Americans to remote fly in camps called and complained that there were hunters on "their lakes". We saw a couple of fly in fishing lodges in the park. They were closed for the season and no one was hunting there. I guess they were worried we'd break into their camps (or maybe pissed that we took the pilots moose that he'd been flying over all week).
It was posted on another thread but check out la guerre des bois about what hunter in Quebec have to go through. http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/195271/
I personally wouldn't hunt in Quebec with an Ontario plate on the truck.
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Years ago I moved to Ottawa and was told about the Marlborough Forest, huge parcel of crown land with easy access.
So preseason I scouted it out and found a couple of decent spots to try for deer hunting.
Opening day arrives and head out for a late morning hunt, I reach the parking lot around 10 am which is now full and a few guys hanging around chatting.
I hadn't walked 100 yards up the trail and I am confronted by a guy sitting in a cedar tree and he loses his mind, he insists this is his spot as climbs down from the tree.
As he approaches I try to explain I am just walking through to go in further back as it's a huge place and he proceeds to scream and yell that this is his spot and I don't have the right to hunt here, in his mind he owns the place.
I calmly try to explain again it's crown land and it does not belong to anyone, he then threatens to shoot me if I don't leave and promises to shoot me if I come back.
What a waste of time that day was and needless to say I never went back, I just don't need that kind of aggravation in my life.
Never again will I even attempt to hunt on crown land.
JJ
So preseason I scouted it out and found a couple of decent spots to try for deer hunting.
Opening day arrives and head out for a late morning hunt, I reach the parking lot around 10 am which is now full and a few guys hanging around chatting.
I hadn't walked 100 yards up the trail and I am confronted by a guy sitting in a cedar tree and he loses his mind, he insists this is his spot as climbs down from the tree.
As he approaches I try to explain I am just walking through to go in further back as it's a huge place and he proceeds to scream and yell that this is his spot and I don't have the right to hunt here, in his mind he owns the place.
I calmly try to explain again it's crown land and it does not belong to anyone, he then threatens to shoot me if I don't leave and promises to shoot me if I come back.
What a waste of time that day was and needless to say I never went back, I just don't need that kind of aggravation in my life.
Never again will I even attempt to hunt on crown land.
JJ
JJ,
I've experienced the same in Larose Forest and in South Nation Conservation properties. The kicker is that you're required to have a permission to hunt on conservation land (which I had) and the two bozzos parked on their tree stands did not have permission ($50 at the time now $150 for people who live outside South Nation Conservation Authority lands). I felt like calling them in, but refrained. The small lots owned by Prescott Russell are littered with blinds and signs marking self appointed hunting territories. It's shameful!
I've experienced the same in Larose Forest and in South Nation Conservation properties. The kicker is that you're required to have a permission to hunt on conservation land (which I had) and the two bozzos parked on their tree stands did not have permission ($50 at the time now $150 for people who live outside South Nation Conservation Authority lands). I felt like calling them in, but refrained. The small lots owned by Prescott Russell are littered with blinds and signs marking self appointed hunting territories. It's shameful!
It's curious and likely flame-worthy that the community always says 'a few bad apples spoil the bunch' but when these threads come out everyone has piles of stories of poor etiquette, poor sportsmanship, bullying behaviour and outright criminality from fellow gun owners and hunters.
There seems to be an awful lot of stories from what is allegedly a few bad apples. Most of my hunting buddies travel far to hunt, flying in for moose and deer, out of province for water fowl, etc. mostly because of the trials of hunting shared land. Of course, not everyone has that opportunity so I feel for those who have such bad experiences trying to participate.
It's quite reminiscent of quarry stories and crown land ranges being full of shot up TV's and garbage, its only a few bad apples but there are enough stories to fill 100's of pages of hunting and fishing forums, but when you ask who are all these Dbags? you get lit up?. I really am just thinking out loud...but how can such a small amount of bad apples generate so many stories? I don't hunt or shoot on shared property so I have little knowledge of what is actually goin on, (just what I read about here mostly) but I've fished nearly every body of water south of New Liskeard and have countless stories of poor etiquette, poaching, littering, encroaching boats practically tied up to mine in the middle of Lake Erie, etc.
Oh and PS Rob is correct locked on car horns are a by-product of almost every car fire, been to dozens its about as common as exploding tires..happens in a lot of accidents too.
There seems to be an awful lot of stories from what is allegedly a few bad apples. Most of my hunting buddies travel far to hunt, flying in for moose and deer, out of province for water fowl, etc. mostly because of the trials of hunting shared land. Of course, not everyone has that opportunity so I feel for those who have such bad experiences trying to participate.
It's quite reminiscent of quarry stories and crown land ranges being full of shot up TV's and garbage, its only a few bad apples but there are enough stories to fill 100's of pages of hunting and fishing forums, but when you ask who are all these Dbags? you get lit up?. I really am just thinking out loud...but how can such a small amount of bad apples generate so many stories? I don't hunt or shoot on shared property so I have little knowledge of what is actually goin on, (just what I read about here mostly) but I've fished nearly every body of water south of New Liskeard and have countless stories of poor etiquette, poaching, littering, encroaching boats practically tied up to mine in the middle of Lake Erie, etc.
Oh and PS Rob is correct locked on car horns are a by-product of almost every car fire, been to dozens its about as common as exploding tires..happens in a lot of accidents too.
I bought my own land. People still think it's there's to do what they please with. I've had trespassers, hunters shoot deer from the road; while i was hunting and in plain view then drive out into the field with their truck and load the deer in front of me! Along with all kinds of other jagbags who think the world belongs to them.
Really?
I live in the area, haven't been to Marlborough, but know a few who hunt the area.
If someone threatened to shoot me on public land, you can bet it wouldn't end there. A Cellphone recording and a trip to the police station would be in short order.
My biggest problem is dumping, but ATV's and snowmobiles trespass without concern all around this area, trashed all the trails and walking paths, old bonfires surrounded by beer bottles and burnt lawn chairs, whole bunch of traps set in the ponds and marshes without permission, people climbing a fence and hacking all the branches off pine trees for Christmas decorations, you name it. Actually, very few problems with unauthorized hunting and shooting. Maybe too close to town to get much of that?
If the authorities were not called for these transgressors, then you’ve done a disservice to our whole community by failing to remove the weeds. The threats especially. Geez.
Well this was in the late 80's before cell phones, but I did call the OPP when I got home.
Gave a description of the hothead and plate number of the vehicle to the admin on the phone and was told they would follow up. I heard nothing back, no a single call from anyone.
A week later I ran into an OPP officer friend of mine and went it over it all with him and asked why it wasn't followed up, his explanation is during the hunting season there are so many calls of this nature that if it doesn't actually get physical they let it go.
Even worse when I described the guy to him he knew him by name, apparently i'm wasn't the only one this guy has threatened.
I guess until he actually shoots someone they let it go.
JJ
Gave a description of the hothead and plate number of the vehicle to the admin on the phone and was told they would follow up. I heard nothing back, no a single call from anyone.
A week later I ran into an OPP officer friend of mine and went it over it all with him and asked why it wasn't followed up, his explanation is during the hunting season there are so many calls of this nature that if it doesn't actually get physical they let it go.
Even worse when I described the guy to him he knew him by name, apparently i'm wasn't the only one this guy has threatened.
I guess until he actually shoots someone they let it go.
JJ
BrotherRockeye
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I've never experienced the my spot thing, but , like the bus kids, they're just being bullies.
And need to be dealt with accordingly.
I tell my kids, to politely say no, I'm not moving, and if one of those pricks,puts their hand on you, punch him in the mouth as hard as you can.
Not the mouth! The human mouth is a horrible infection waiting to happen. Always in the nose, as I told my girls.
Dueling banjos...
They're BIG apples...
Imagine having a buckskin stallion shot by road hunters because he was almost the color of a deer...shame no one came to ask permission to retrieve him...
fingers284
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- Alberta Cowboy Ranges
Its not only an eastern thing , I've had 3 instances of people trying to run me off crown land or private lane that I have permission on.
The first on was a farmer that owned the land adjacent to the crown land I was on...threatened all sorts of "legal" actions against me if I didn't leave, I calmly gave him my phone # and mailing address and told him to have whomever he wanted to contact me...never heard another word from him.
The second one was a guide and outfitter and his two hunters that me and a buddy run into on a sheep hunt high up in the eastern slopes, he proceeded to inform me that that was his "allotted hunting area" and for us to just leave immediately. It took me about 2 seconds to inform him what he, his horses and his hunters could do to themselves "immediately". Every day for the rest of that hunt I made sure that I was up on one of "his mountains" before daybreak and waved at him when I seen him glassing the area. Never seen him again in that area and I hunted there a lot of yrs afterwards.
The third time was so laughable that my buddy and I still laugh about it some 40 yrs later. When I was a kid I was deer hunting a piece of private property with said buddy and his dad...his dad was the landowner... The dad chased a bunch of deer out of a bush and I clobbered one as it was sauntering across the adjacent barley field so it craters out 40 yrds from the bush in a wide open field. We have 200 yrds or so to walk back to their truck and another 5 minutes to drive around to the gate to enter the field. by the time we get down onto the field and heading towards the deer we see another truck already at the animal. When we arrive the dude has his knife out and is going to cut the tendon and tag my deer. The fellow I'm with asks him just what he thinks he's doing that for...his reply..."I have permission to hunt here so this is MY deer not yours". When asked just who he had permission from " well, the land owner of course" and gave the proper name. My buddies dads quick reply was "I am -gave his name- and I am the land owner and I sure as hell didn't give you permission to hunt here so get the F57k off this land right now...he did.
The first on was a farmer that owned the land adjacent to the crown land I was on...threatened all sorts of "legal" actions against me if I didn't leave, I calmly gave him my phone # and mailing address and told him to have whomever he wanted to contact me...never heard another word from him.
The second one was a guide and outfitter and his two hunters that me and a buddy run into on a sheep hunt high up in the eastern slopes, he proceeded to inform me that that was his "allotted hunting area" and for us to just leave immediately. It took me about 2 seconds to inform him what he, his horses and his hunters could do to themselves "immediately". Every day for the rest of that hunt I made sure that I was up on one of "his mountains" before daybreak and waved at him when I seen him glassing the area. Never seen him again in that area and I hunted there a lot of yrs afterwards.
The third time was so laughable that my buddy and I still laugh about it some 40 yrs later. When I was a kid I was deer hunting a piece of private property with said buddy and his dad...his dad was the landowner... The dad chased a bunch of deer out of a bush and I clobbered one as it was sauntering across the adjacent barley field so it craters out 40 yrds from the bush in a wide open field. We have 200 yrds or so to walk back to their truck and another 5 minutes to drive around to the gate to enter the field. by the time we get down onto the field and heading towards the deer we see another truck already at the animal. When we arrive the dude has his knife out and is going to cut the tendon and tag my deer. The fellow I'm with asks him just what he thinks he's doing that for...his reply..."I have permission to hunt here so this is MY deer not yours". When asked just who he had permission from " well, the land owner of course" and gave the proper name. My buddies dads quick reply was "I am -gave his name- and I am the land owner and I sure as hell didn't give you permission to hunt here so get the F57k off this land right now...he did.
TheCoachZed
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
A lot of this goes on in the east coast. Duck hunters think they own spots because they've hunted there for years, whether or not they even bother to put their signs up. Deer hunters sitting on other people's bait piles and threatening them with guns to leave. What it boils down to is, unless you tape a confrontation, it's he said/she said, and conservation officers and RCMP don't care. I hunt in bowhunting-only zones now to get away from those guys in deer season.
We had trespassers accesing our lease one year via a small side access road. We posted the land very, very clearly nobody could miss all the signs. We had to stop hunting twice to chase them off that year. There were 3 signs alone on the gate they were opening to access the farm. My buddy Pat parked his car there to block the path so they wouldn't drive in and hopefully stop trespassing. Well those pricks decided to break all the windows on Pats car.
####ty story but hey, they never came back.
####ty story but hey, they never came back.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/pet-pigs-shot-navan-1.4422727
Read this article to see the kind of winners we have here in eastern Ontario.
I stay out of the bush in Ontario WMU 65 during deer season. I don't like pumpkin patches.
Read this article to see the kind of winners we have here in eastern Ontario.
I stay out of the bush in Ontario WMU 65 during deer season. I don't like pumpkin patches.
