Apprentice Hunters - Should They Share In The Spoils?

Runningfool said:
I agree with the above 100%. Not exactly sure why you are quoting me, I was just trying to explain what the OP was driving at as it seems some people are misinterpreting what he was asking.
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I thought it was really clear. It sounds like someone wants to start collecting 3 shares instead of their usual one they get for the family.

Question is, if the other hunters in the party start bringing their kids/grand kids to do the same, would this guy be fine with cutting them in too? when you start splitting small animals like deer 5 to 10 ways, is it even worth hunting as a group anymore?
 
Familygunnutz said:
man, some strange families out there I swear....my granddad would have given me the whole deer, roasted and all..........just saying...
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Same. There would be no hesitation in our family as to whether or not the kids got some regardless if someone else shot it. As a matter of fact I'm willing to bet that any hesitation would be met with an "attitude correction" from Dad lol!
 
It's deer meat what ever share they get is less that I have to figure out how to eat. I like roasts and steak hamburger can go to anybody who wants it. I hunted with three guys for years and it took a computer program to figure their system out. I used to fill my doe tags with them and hunt bucks on my own during the week on the farm. They spent all day trying to figure out who owed who for gas and and such also. Since I was going hunting anyway if they cam along I never could be bothered with gas money and such. At least when I shot a elk I never had to haul it out on my own.
 
ironsighter said:
I sensed the situation was the opposite; the group doesn't think Grandpa should get 3 shares of meat because he brought his 2 grandsons, so now Grandpa is coming on here trying to see if others support the idea that his grandsons deserve a share each.

Either way, the notion of having to get this specific and detailed about sharing is foreign to me, but then again I typically do not hunt in groups.

If my buddy comes to help me recover a deer as light is fading (or I do the same for him) then the helper gets a hind quarter or whatever.

Personally, if I were to bring my daughters (both licenced hunters) with me on a moose hunt with 3 other guys, I would expect 1/4 of whatever was shot. Not 1/2.

My daughters, of course, will end up eating about 1/2 my share anyway.

Years from now, when my daughters have their own families to support, they'll be entitled to their shares in any such situations.
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Ironsighter: I read the OP's post the same way as you do hence why I stated that I think this dude is trolling. I hate these types of posts because you get only one side and TBH it isn't really clear what the OP is trying to get at. The impression I am getting is that he is trying to screw his mates out of a bit of meat under the auspice of "equal" shares for all hunters despite the fact that his grandkids are hunting under a shared tag. The way I read his posts are that his family is getting meat but he would like to see more go to his family using the argument that his grandkids are pitching in. This type of discussion is best done face to face with his hunting party although I think he probably knows the answer is that his family is already getting its fair share. Hence why I stated if you don't want to deal with sharing hunt by yourself. This is some pretty petty s**t and I think pretty much all of us agree on this point which is why I think this is trolling. I understood the hunting forum to be a place for us to discuss hunting either techniques or gear not as a place to discuss pre-school level stuff like sharing. Just my 2 dollars and 50 cents worth of poo.
 
Runningfool said:
Of course not. But what is wrong with the OP asking a question so that he has an idea of how others would approach this? That's a big part of what makes this forum great, the opportunity to learn from from others.

Instead of accusing the OP of trolling, why not help him out? Pretend you're hunting for the entire week as part of the OP's group of hunters and one of the guys has his two young sons there for 2-3 days hunting under his guidance. Let's assume only two deer get shot, both the day after the boys leave. Does the guy who had his two boys up go home with 3 shares or 1? That is what the OP is asking and it's a bit complicated and that is why I think he was looking to some fellow CGNers for some guidance.
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See my last post. Still stand by the trolling comment. Cheers Glock!
 
I have no ****ing idea how people can ##### and argue amongst friends and family over a few pounds of meat. Is it really worth ruining the relationship? Give the boys a share.

if anyone argues that I wouldnt hunt with them
 
Glock4ever said:
I am wondering if the OP is being serious or just trolling with this post? Frankly, I even wonder why these types of posts are even put up. I would think that a discussion with your respective hunting group would be more beneficial than coming on to a forum and soliciting a bunch of anonymous opinions. IF you need a contractual agreement on how to share meat after a successful hunt perhaps you should a contractual lawyer and have the papers drawn up and sent to your fellow hunting party mates for signature. Sheesh!
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Now that's rich. People come on here all the time soliciting opinions on a variety of things. To suggest that asking for opinions on an real set of circumstances is trolling.... well that speaks for itself.

There is no controversy or disagreement or question within our group how the meat is shared - in fact each family gets an equal share. What precipitated me thinking about this was the other thread where the unprepared unlicensed would-be hunter was joining the group and the discussion that ensued as to what his share would be. And I was curious what others thought of the situation in our group - that's it, nothing more. For those that read more into it - well it's like Looky says: I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand..... Some interesting views.

Someone suggested the group get the boys a rifle when they're of age. Nice sentiment but not necessary. They both have very nice brand new deer rifles and moose rifles sitting in their father's safe just waiting for the day they have their PALs. The deer rifles were each acquired on the boys' first birthdays. The moose rifles were courtesy of their grandfather over the years as opportunities arose.

Glock4ever said:
Ironsighter: I read the OP's post the same way as you do hence why I stated that I think this dude is trolling. I hate these types of posts because you get only one side and TBH it isn't really clear what the OP is trying to get at. The impression I am getting is that he is trying to screw his mates out of a bit of meat under the auspice of "equal" shares for all hunters despite the fact that his grandkids are hunting under a shared tag. The way I read his posts are that his family is getting meat but he would like to see more go to his family using the argument that his grandkids are pitching in. This type of discussion is best done face to face with his hunting party although I think he probably knows the answer is that his family is already getting its fair share. Hence why I stated if you don't want to deal with sharing hunt by yourself. This is some pretty petty s**t and I think pretty much all of us agree on this point which is why I think this is trolling. I understood the hunting forum to be a place for us to discuss hunting either techniques or gear not as a place to discuss pre-school level stuff like sharing. Just my 2 dollars and 50 cents worth of poo.
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Finally. You seem to have one vivid, warped and vile imagination to conjure up stuff like that, stuff that was never said or implied. That together with your unfounded accusations and insults makes me think you're the troll here.
 
You're kidding right?! You're concerned if your own grandchildren should be sharing in any venison you may harvest? Wow! Thank god I never had a Grandfather or Father like you!!! And if this is about getting an extra meat share out of your group as I stated in another thread on this subject, I have never seen such pettiness in my life as big game groups. If you're concerned about the other guy getting a bigger roast you should quit hunting and go buy a cow or pig!!
 
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the spank said:
You're kidding right?! You're concerned if your own grandchildren should be sharing in any venison you may harvest? Wow! Thank god I never had a Grandfather or Father like you!!! And if this is about getting an extra meat share out of your group as I stated in another thread on this subject, I have never seen such pettiness in my life as big game groups. If you're concerned about the other guy getting a bigger roast you should quit hunting and go buy a cow or pig!!
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You obviously didn't read the thread or even the preceding post. Talk about going off half cocked.
 
ronecol said:
So my two teenage grandsons (14 & 15), both in the apprentice program, will be hunting with us for 2 or 3 days of the 2nd week of the deer season again this fall. Should they share in any deer taken the days they hunt or maybe a percentage of the deer taken during the entire week or maybe not at all, or maybe only if one or the other or both actually kill a deer? Keep in mind that as apprentice hunters they must share a firearm with their mentors (me & their dad) which means while they are hunting there is no possibility of me or their dad killing a deer. At 14 & 15 these boys already have as much “bush” savvy as some adult hunters. They live with shooting capability in their back yard. They have had supervised shooting since age 10 with gun safety drilled into them. They have been spending a few days in the deer camp with us since about age 10 and have been in the apprentice program since age 12. Apart from the deer camp they also participate in bear and predator hunts. They both have their trappers license, spend countless hours involved and regularly send firs to the North Bay auction and have demo’d skinning techniques at the convention. The oldest also recently took first place in a local bass fishing tournament.

Unlike in a recent thread where a participant didn’t get his hunting act together in time for the hunt but it was still felt by many he should share equally in the spoils, these lads did and do have their act together and have been learning and participating for the past 2 & 3 years respectively but they have never been part of the equation when divvying up the venison. Should they be?
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Care to let us know who is "us" ? you said they(your grand kids) will be hunting with "us", who is us? you and your sons? you and other people not related to your family?
if you hunt with a group of non family members, then go ahead ask the group members about giving some meat to the kids, before the hunt!
if you hunt with family members, then I don't know what to say...........
 
It's a tough call. As you can see opinions vary. It should definitely be discussed with the group before the deer hit the ground. Some guys might resent having "kids" around and be reluctant to grant a full share. Ie. Guys trying to get away from the wife and kids. If the boys are a big help around camp, splitting wood, doing the dishes, helping haul out and dress animals guys will appreciate the help and be more inclined to share with the boys. Maybe the boys split a share? At the end of the day if you value your group figure it out so there are no hard feelings at the end of the hunt.
 
Familygunnutz said:
man, some strange families out there I swear.
if you are were bringing strangers or even friend's kids I'll understand, but your grand son???
my granddad would have given me the whole deer, roasted and all..........just saying...
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x 2....what a weird way of going about it with family members.



You all hunt together so simply wrap the meat and take turns picking cuts with the shooter(s) getting the first pick or two. Simple. Fair.
 
The apprentice will be hunting with you on your tag and under your supervision with one gun between you and within arms reach. IMO you would be welcome to share as much of your share with your apprentice as you liked. If I was party hunting with my Buddy and his apprentice daughter and I shot a deer I wouldnt think he would be expecting 2 thirds of it.
 
We work on the "pound the ground, get a share". If buddy is taking his grandsons out for deer, even as apprentices, it would only be right that they have a group of four max. That way, there would be potentially a minimum of a 1/4 each or a max of 1/2 each. If i was the odd guy out, though, I'd be working pretty hard to make sure we filled all the tags. Seems like a fair deal to me. If you are hunting to really fill the freezer, you should be alone or with another hunter with his own tag.
 
The org. post is face palm worthy and dismaying. What tradition of hunting are you trying to impart to these family members? Lame lame lame.
 
ronecol said:
Now that's rich. People come on here all the time soliciting opinions on a variety of things. To suggest that asking for opinions on an real set of circumstances is trolling.... well that speaks for itself.

There is no controversy or disagreement or question within our group how the meat is shared - in fact each family gets an equal share. What precipitated me thinking about this was the other thread where the unprepared unlicensed would-be hunter was joining the group and the discussion that ensued as to what his share would be. And I was curious what others thought of the situation in our group - that's it, nothing more. For those that read more into it - well it's like Looky says: I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand..... Some interesting views.

Someone suggested the group get the boys a rifle when they're of age. Nice sentiment but not necessary. They both have very nice brand new deer rifles and moose rifles sitting in their father's safe just waiting for the day they have their PALs. The deer rifles were each acquired on the boys' first birthdays. The moose rifles were courtesy of their grandfather over the years as opportunities arose.



Finally. You seem to have one vivid, warped and vile imagination to conjure up stuff like that, stuff that was never said or implied. That together with your unfounded accusations and insults makes me think you're the troll here.
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Very convenient of you to quote just me when both Brian46 and Ironsighter are interpreting your original post the same way.

Do you know what the word "implied" even means? If your original post was so clear you wouldn't have half the posters responding here stating that this seems like either a bizarre way for a family to divide up the bounty vs the other half that think you are looking for a way to score extra meat for your grandkids. If you already have a way to divide up your meat why are you even starting this thread except to troll?
 
You are old they are young. In ten years from now when they are in there prime and you're to old to even gut a deer should you get a share of the meat? Your post makes me mad. If they are willing to learn and contribute then then get a share of any meat and from the sounds of your high praise for there bush skill you should be giving them back pay in meat. You should be happy your grand kids want to spend time with you and not video games.
 
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