AR-15 Bullpup Lower?
- Thread starter Wantabe_ Warrior
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- Western Canada
I was thinking of not having anything forward of the pivot pin on the lower, and keeping disassembly as similar to a regular AR-15 as possible.
LOP Issue: I have 3 ideas for the LOP. A) Fixed LOP, like people have with other Bullpups, and A2 stocks B) HK416C style stock (like the SC-20K in Splinter Cell: Double Agent) and/or C) I'm thinking of a (jerry rigged-type idea) have the FCG connected to the trigger via bicycle brake wire. Though version 2 of option C, using a 1911 style trigger bow with a removable (picatinny mounted) pistol grip group.
LOP Issue: I have 3 ideas for the LOP. A) Fixed LOP, like people have with other Bullpups, and A2 stocks B) HK416C style stock (like the SC-20K in Splinter Cell: Double Agent) and/or C) I'm thinking of a (jerry rigged-type idea) have the FCG connected to the trigger via bicycle brake wire. Though version 2 of option C, using a 1911 style trigger bow with a removable (picatinny mounted) pistol grip group.
- Location
- Western Canada
Yeah, that's what I was worried about.
the issue is that the bolt carrier travels too far rearwards to make the stock any shorter. this is why you dont see ar-15s with folding stocks or ar-15 pistols without the long buffer tube
- Location
- Western Canada
In my other thread on this idea, I put out the idea of a shortened bolt, as a possible... solution, like putting a .22 bolt in your AR. Please bear with me, I'm not an engineer. Or this could only be used with the Z-M Weapons LR-300 or RRA PDS uppers.
Well I'll be the first to buy your design!
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- Western Canada
If the receivers were stretched so that they couldn't be used with AR-15/AR-10 receivers, would there be a chance of unrestriction? Or because the upper looks like an AR-15 upper it's automatically restricted?
Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here, but this idea has thoroughly imbedded itself in my mind. And, to me, an AR-15 inspired/based rifle gives it the largest aftermarket support.
Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here, but this idea has thoroughly imbedded itself in my mind. And, to me, an AR-15 inspired/based rifle gives it the largest aftermarket support.
How about use the basic AR-15 barrel as a starting point for an all new design?
https://www.google.com/search?q=ima...yBIjhiwLY24C4DQ&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=497
As it is standardized, this would allow a calibre change very easily. And far cheaper than buying an entire upper. I have long thought that "swapping uppers" is a rather expensive way of changing barrels.
More importantly, it would not be an AR variant.
HTH
https://www.google.com/search?q=ima...yBIjhiwLY24C4DQ&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=497
As it is standardized, this would allow a calibre change very easily. And far cheaper than buying an entire upper. I have long thought that "swapping uppers" is a rather expensive way of changing barrels.
More importantly, it would not be an AR variant.
HTH
What do you mean stretched? In what dimension? As I mentioned in the technical thread I'm willing to work up a 3D model for you if you would like. You'll get a lot more interest in this product if people can see what it looks like.
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- Western Canada
Yes, as in dimensionally, from the front pin to the back pin. And thank for the help. I am, at the time of posting, downloading SketchUp.
The buffer and its tube can be designed out of the system. There are at least two commercial variants of the AR that do not use a buffer tube.
The RCMP may be annoying and burocratic but they aren't stupid. They used an empty case with a live primer. They pull the trigger and get a bang, then they claim it could have fired a round. We all know that is a foolish assumption but it is how they work.
You mean like these?
It is certainly possible to remove the buffer tube from an AR and use a folding stock. It just takes some out of the box thinking.
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- Western Canada
I feel like a retard using SketchUp, Last time I used a CAD program was... 3 years ago, and that was only autoCAD2004 lite. New learning curve, again.
Instead of stretching the upper or lower so they wont mate to ar parts, why not just flip the attachment points. IE put the male part on the lower and the female part on the upper you could also leave a raised portion on the lower some thing like this well thats a pretty crap drawing, hopefully your imagination will fill in the blanks. EDIT EDIT EDIT when I posted the little drawing I made with dashes and underscores the forum reformatted the text and put the drawing out of alignment. So just imagine an AR lower with a tab left on the surface where it meets the lower maybe half an inch high and 3 inches long, and the atachment points flipped.
the Dakota kid
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- London, ON
If you're concerned about the buffer tube why not just use a piston AR? To be honest though I like the idea of using the AR barrel and designing a rifle from the ground up.
- Location
- Western Canada
Well, NEA does seem to be a larger company that Dlask and M14.ca, and I've never worked with a company like them (Dlask, M14.ca, or NEA) before. So I'm not sure how willing NEA would be to working with a guy that can't even buy beer yet. That and there are other Canadian manufacturers out there, I just can't recall them of the top of my head.
If you seriously believe in this project and want to get happiness and success from it.... I would absolutely stop sharing your plans and design on any internet forum.
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Ask me how I know this
And be mindful of any new "friends" you may suddenly find yourself with hehehehe
