This post is individual responses to some of the comments in this thread. Next post is a TLDR.
But the problem is... it gives a “ promise” to the government,that says: “ yeah okay ,if you push deactivation, were there, with bells on” I realize they, ( Marstar)have sold deactivated firearms, before, but for ffs, let’s not show encouragement, to the Liberals,huh?
We haven’t made up our mind yet on whether we’ll offer largescale deactivation to the canadian market. There are two of us at Marstar that handle deactivations, and of the two, I’m the only one who handles paperwork. We’d have to do a rather large expansion in order to do this, and expansion usually results in a loss of quality, which is in direct opposition to the service we want to offer. Add to that that AR’s take a heck of a long time to deactivate cleanly, and I’m not sure this is a service we’ll be willing to offer.
We want to be a small shop that offers an exceptional service and product, and that's harder to do the larger the company gets.
Since we can never legally own an M16 or C7 full auto, I would be highly interested in a dewat wallhanger of either.
As for dewatting civi AR's, to each their own. I, on the other hand, would not.
I own several Marstar dewat's. They are tastefully done compared to others (cough*cough* CS..)
I would love to see more selection.
I’m working on expanding the selection of Dewats we offer. I’m glad you’re happy with the work, I take a lot of pride in producing a good product, Your comments made my day in this regard.
We are looking at bringing in F/A M16s, C7s and other service rifles that aren’t available, we’re actually working on a rather large order as we speak. We aren’t offering the service for civvie ARs, and I’m not sure if we will.
Okay here’s the thing I’m most curious about... how do you deactivate an AR given all the differing materials and such?
That question took me 2.5 years to get an answer to… I’m not sharing the answer because I don’t want to disseminate knowledge on how to deactivate these rifles. We’re not doing large scale commercial deactivation, even though there’s a lot of interest based on the emails I’ve received, but that doesn’t mean someone else wont try to capitalize on it.
I don't know what the issue is with Marstar. I've spent thousands there without issue. I just recently bought some KCI mags for my Kriss Vector and it was John who answered my questions. I've never had issues.
There’s a lot of confusion on John, mostly because there are two Johns, Old John (John1) owned Marstar Prior to us, New John is a different person, and is who you dealt with. Old John isn’t involved with the company any longer, save for John’s Vault which we’re hosting until his collection is cleared.
So were you approached by the Liberal Government in regard to this Ar15 "service"?
No, we’d been looking into it for some time. It took a long time to get clarification on the requirements in light of the construction of the rifle, and then I put the project on the backburner as I was immediately occupied by the launch and improvement of the website, and didn’t have the time to devote to this project.
One question: is Marstar involved in the fight either personnally by way of a court case with lawyer or financially by donating to one/some of the current court case.
We have this on the go:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2032149-Marstar-in-the-News
We refused donations for this fight as its not the ‘main’ fight, but its a fight that is our size that we can handle. We did ask that those who wanted to donate to us instead contribute to the initiatives we have on our front page (
https://marstar.ca/recent-ban-actions/ )There are other things we have going as well, but we don’t typically publicize until they become public on their own. When it comes to court cases, I’ve worked with lawyers in the past (I used to be at the Crown’s office), and I’ve known a couple judges, there’s often a price to pay for publicizing the details of a court case, it skews public opinion, and it makes a spectacle of the court. They don’t appreciate either.
We’ve all seen what other sponsors here have been doing, some for decades, for this community and our rights to own and use firearms. What is the big hurry to offer "front of the line deactivation" for AR15 1 year away from the deadline ? What is the big hurry to offer this option so "early" ?
We’re not offering the service to the community in whole. We ran segment in our recent ad for collectors, and were hit with a bunch of emails asking if we can do individual commercial rifles (as stated in our initial post, we wont). The service not intended for those who want to duck out of the fight early or to throw in the towel, its for collectors who have a mannequin and a dedicated safe behind it for their C7 clone. I know a few of these collectors personally, and those who don’t want a dedicated safe end up using rubber or air soft rifles instead.
As to why I made a CGN thread about it, based on the interest I received, I felt that someone would make a thread about this anyways, and rather than let everyone speculate until I got to make a response, I wanted to address it in advance. I gave my word to the community that we’d be upfront and honest with you in our ‘Marstar’s back thread’, its a commitment I intend to honor.
I know Marstar has always sold dewats. But offering the option 1 year prior to deadline, with no actual announcement about the need to deactivate to keep it is only helping on side of this sh!t deal and it’s not our side.
I have 3 AR’s in the safe behind me, along with a number of other rifles that were impacted by the ban. None are being deactivated, or being slated for deactivation until we have more info.
(...)This advanced advertisement is an attempt to what? Curry favour with our Lieberal firearms overlords? Reassure AR15 owners that their property is "safe" from confiscation so long as it is rendered into an inoperable lump of metal and plastic? What is the POINT of such an advertisement at this particular juncture? By pooh-poohing the idea of deactivation prior to a legal decision you seem to think that this makes it OK to propose the unthinkable as a reasonable course of action, which it most certainly is NOT. At least not YET.
We did not need to know "ahead of time" that MARSTAR is willing and able to do the Liberal government's bidding to destroy their AR15 rifles for the "low, low cost" of just $465 per firearm. It would have been preferable that you fight to win, rather than "reluctantly" offer us a loser's "consolation prize". But I reckon that is OK so long as MARSTAR makes a buck either way, eh?
Like I said - prematurely piss-poor public planning, MARSTAR. Just when my previously negative opinion of your shoddy business practices was improving, too. Setting yourself up to play a "reluctant starring role" in the government's confiscation agenda is not going to endear your business to those who think as I do. For shame, MARSTAR....
I hate the Libs as much as you do. I’ve volunteered against them during elections, I’ve donated to their opponents, I’ve convinced friends and family alike to support other parties and I’ve done my share of letter writing. The point of advertising has always been to get a word out, in this case, that we’ve developed a way to cleanly deactivate an AR-15 for collectors. I’m not offering this service en masse, I’m not certain that we will (detailed above)
As to currying favor with the Liberal Firearm Overlords, if you think the liberals care about any aspect of the firearms community, you’d be wrong. They’re not our friends, either as individuals, or as an organization. No good will come from trying to appease them. Hell, the firearms industry in whole is one of the few that did well through covid, and is still contributing above its weight class to the countries tax base. Liberals care about money, but not necessarily the economy, they’d shut us all down in a minute if they could do it, regardless of who we are or what we do.
Also, never said the cost was low, but it is representative of the time that goes into one of these deactivations.
You view deactivated AR-15s as a loser’s consolation prize, it really depends on the intended use of the AR-15. My AR’s are for shooting, I’d consider them a loser’s consolation if I were to have them deactivated in fear of the Governments agenda. There are some who deactivate firearms for display, and for them, the deactivated rifle is the goal, that is the customer that this was intended for.
And to those considering forking out 465$ to keep a pile of metal and plastic one year from the deadline... know that there are hookers who charge more by the hour...
I’m not a fan of deactivated firearms myself, but I still have a Deact. hanging in the foyer of my home. A lot of service guys and door-to-door canvassers miss it, but the ones who do… The hooker probably would keep me happier for the first 3.5 seconds.
Regards,
Payam
