AR-15 KB - with pictures

To be fair, not too many people have ever experienced a squib before ( including myself - I hope I will never ever have to deal with a squib. ) and does not know what it is like.

If you just go straight to the IA for a stoppage as you are programmed to, you may have a KB like this guy did.

Factory ammo should not be defective like this. I will say this KB is on the ammo, not on the shooter.
 
greentips said:
To be fair, not too many people have ever experienced a squib before ( including myself - I hope I will never ever have to deal with a squib. ) and does not know what it is like.

If you just go straight to the IA for a stoppage as you are programmed to, you may have a KB like this guy did.

Factory ammo should not be defective like this. I will say this KB is on the ammo, not on the shooter.
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ABSOLUTELY AGREE.

I have had a squib that I noticed only because it was during slow fire training. It would be very easy to miss it during a stressful stage or training scenario. Actually, during my squib episode, the instructor standing next to me didn't catch it and instructed me to "clear the malfunction" and continue firing. I elected to end the string and diagnose the problem, glad I did.

Factory ammo is not perfect, especially the bargain bin stuff many of us go for. I've also had a squib from a correctly assembled reload round, as well as an incorrectly assembled reload.

Squibs happen (reloads or factory), and for this reason it's important to use a firearm that is capable of protecting the user in such an event.
 
Some answers to posts.

More details about ammunition: the bullet weight is 62 or 64 (don't remember) grains lead core full metal jacket.
More details about the rifle: The rifle is a colt brand with an M4 style configuration (14,5" barrel, carbine length gas)

I cannot sell the rifle, it's not mine.
 
alpining said:
Squibs happen (reloads or factory), and for this reason it's important to use a firearm that is capable of protecting the user in such an event.
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There are very few guns that won't blow up in some fashion when fired with a barrel obstruction. It is on the user to make sure he doesn't have an obstruction before pulling the trigger.


Mark
 
That does not look like a barrel obstruction. It looks like someone fired one of the federal tactical police rounds that were loaded with pistol powder.

That is a police Colt Canada C8 and the pictures are from an investigation.

Looks to be from an investigation that happened over a year ago.

 
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C77 said:
That does not look like a barrel obstruction. It looks like someone fired one of the federal tactical police rounds that were loaded with pistol powder.

That is a police Colt Canada C8 and the pictures are from an investigation.

Looks to be from an investigation that happened over a year ago.

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what is the red 6 on the buttstock?
 
mmattockx said:
There are very few guns that won't blow up in some fashion when fired with a barrel obstruction. It is on the user to make sure he doesn't have an obstruction before pulling the trigger.


Mark
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As was posted, when firing under the clock, training, or otherwise engaged where slow deliberate fire isn't possible, such an event is a reality.

TDC
 
This forum is always full of strange people...

This event happened this week and I took the pictures myself. The ammunition used is as disclosed and not something else.
 
greentips said:
To be fair, not too many people have ever experienced a squib before ( including myself - I hope I will never ever have to deal with a squib. ) and does not know what it is like.

If you just go straight to the IA for a stoppage as you are programmed to, you may have a KB like this guy did.

Factory ammo should not be defective like this. I will say this KB is on the ammo, not on the shooter.
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http://www.winchester.com/library/news/Pages/News-Product-Warning-and-Recall-Notice.aspx

Also had bad lots of Federal Tactical and Remington.

If there was a squib, there would be a bulge in the BBL and likely some jacket where the bullet was. In a good bbl (not shot out) it is nearly impossible to chamber a second round behind the stuck round as they will simply not go far enough into the bore. Most times this causes a breech explosion it is the result of some good work with the forward assist.

That looks like pistol powder damage. The alternative would be a round stuck in the C of R and another round rammed in behind with the forward assist.
 
velocipede said:
This forum is always full of strange people...

This event happened this week and I took the pictures myself. The ammunition used is as disclosed and not something else.
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Sorry, should have said it looked exactly like one we looked at over a year ago.

What brand ammunition? Training or duty?

What police service? Has the armourer scoped the bore yet?
 
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TDC said:
As was posted, when firing under the clock, training, or otherwise engaged where slow deliberate fire isn't possible, such an event is a reality.

TDC
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I understand that. But you can't blame the ammo for an operator putting another round up the pipe after a squib. It would be nice if the world was perfect and ammo never malfunctioned, but it does and sometimes this happens, thankfully not very often. It is still operator error, even if it is hard to catch in the heat of competition/training.


C77 said:
http://www.winchester.com/library/news/Pages/News-Product-Warning-and-Recall-Notice.aspx

Also had bad lots of Federal Tactical and Remington.
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Ouch. That would better explain why there were no traces of either bullet in the barrel.


Mark
 
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A squib feels very different than anything else, you get a muffled pop and then nothing - even with ears on, you can hear the primer, but it's very different than a live round, or a dud. Sort of the way you know the mag's empty without really looking.
 
Thanks for the information, the ammunition is indeed RA223R2 as posted in the recall notice, but the lot number is not among those mentioned.

The bore and barrel outside looks good but it has not been scoped yet.
The base of the case ruptured completely and part of it has blown through the extractor. The headstamp part of the brass is bulged, fire-formed in the shape of the ejector hole.
The rest of the case is stuck in the barrel.
 
WHAT??? a colt blew up! so the norinco bashers can leave? excellent

velocipede said:
Some answers to posts.

More details about ammunition: the bullet weight is 62 or 64 (don't remember) grains lead core full metal jacket.
More details about the rifle: The rifle is a colt brand with an M4 style configuration (14,5" barrel, carbine length gas)

I cannot sell the rifle, it's not mine.
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mmattockx said:
I understand that. But you can't blame the ammo for an operator putting another round up the pipe after a squib. It would be nice if the world was perfect and ammo never malfunctioned, but it does and sometimes this happens, thankfully not very often. It is still operator error, even if it is hard to catch in the heat of competition/training.




Ouch. That would better explain why there were no traces of either bullet in the barrel.


Mark
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I don't think its operator error. You pay for ammo that works as advertised, it didn't. Ammo companies have no issue replacing guns that were damaged or destroyed due to their products not functioning properly.

TDC
 
That's pretty impressive performance IMO. The rifle experienced a catastrophic failure and the shooter was uninjured, what more could you ask of a rifle?.
 
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