AR-15 vs. M305

Well,here is another look at the situation from a military standpoint. Troops in the middle East are questioning the reliability of the 5.56 (.223) which is why they are dusting off all the arsenals and shipping as many M14's to the front line troops as possible. They are being used as sniper rifles as well as battle rifles. The troops don't question the acuracy and the lethal power of the 7.62 round. If you asked an infantryman right now in Iraq he would for sure take the M14 over his M16. I have shot both and there is a much better feeling shooting the .308 round especially with a camo synthetic stock, all decked out with a bi-pod. In fact, the US arsenal is searching around the world in countries such as Eastern Eurpe to buy back the huge quantity of M14's that the Clinton administration sold to them. What an ass!
 
Rohann:

I hate to bug ya, but you can shoot the Rem M700 in Service Conditions matches and still do very well

Bragging Hat ON. There's a reason GT made me the Moderator of the Service Rifles Forum here. I am most qualified fool the ever shoot the ORA Service Conditions matches with a new rifle for each monthly match. So for over 20 years now I have shot Service Conditions Matches 1-12 using:

* Win M70 .22-250 DBM (detachable box magazines) not bad during the rapids
* M1 Garands in both .30-06 and .308
* Every manufacturer of USGI M14
* NM and Std productin M1A's by Sproingfield, INC
* Rem M700P (great for the deliberates and snaps, brutal on the rundowns)
* Win M70 Coyote .223 with Tasco Varmint Mildot 2.5 X 10 X 40mm

Even last year in May 2005 I competed with an iron sighted Norinco M14.

Now here's my latest "over the horizon" project for more shzts and giggles... I bought a Rem M700 BDL .223 rifle. Slapped on a Rem M700 SPS synthetic stock. Added on a Mag-Tech resin magazine extender. This extender allows the user to load 8 rounds of .223 into the belly of the M700, now I can shoot 8 + 1 rounds for the rapid fire stages of Matches 3, 7, 11. I only drop the ONE round. Remember that this is my hunting rifle already setup for shooting earthpigs and gophers. On top is mounted a Bushnell Elite 3200 10X Mildot, nice big knobs....

By the way, the Mag-Tech extenders only fit M700 rifles and ONLY short actions... they can be had from Brownell's for under $ 30 USD. Do I feel like spending a shzt load of money for a magazine conversion kit? Well, not yet at this point in the game. I might just however setup a .308 with a med/fat barrel cut down to 19" in my AICS Chassis with 10 rounder magazines. I would likely shoot a bunch of Remington 125 gr. handloaded bullets. Light as hell for recoil and I've had great success shooting this bullet at 500 yards for Service Rifle matches.

I'm always a lover of rifles that have magazines. At least this gives one the option of hunting and competing with the same rifle. That's what I get for being a cheap bastard. My rifles have to pull double duty !!

I hope this sheds some light on your M700 aspirations in Service Conditions !!

Cheers and Peace B2 Journey,
Barney
 
I want to see someone take a N0. 4 Enfield, dress it up with rails, lights, aimpoints, etc and do one of these matches.
 
With the semi auto ban in the UK, there are Brit shooters using all sorts of bolt action rifles.
As far as that goes, you could take a Rem. slide action, trick it out with the larger mags, a Choate pistol grip buttstock, etc. It could be accessorized to whatever degree desired, adapting all the "tactical" shotgun bits and pieces. Or used in factory configuration.
Probably work just fine, in the hands of a proficient operator.
 
Alfonso said:
Well,here is another look at the situation from a military standpoint. Troops in the middle East are questioning the reliability of the 5.56 (.223) which is why they are dusting off all the arsenals and shipping as many M14's to the front line troops as possible. They are being used as sniper rifles as well as battle rifles. The troops don't question the acuracy and the lethal power of the 7.62 round. If you asked an infantryman right now in Iraq he would for sure take the M14 over his M16. I have shot both and there is a much better feeling shooting the .308 round especially with a camo synthetic stock, all decked out with a bi-pod. In fact, the US arsenal is searching around the world in countries such as Eastern Eurpe to buy back the huge quantity of M14's that the Clinton administration sold to them. What an ass!
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I think you are seriously exagerating what is happening and I must jump in. The US military have identified a need for a designated marksman...who is not a sniper for record, to be part of the squad/platoon, to meet the needs of medium range precision fire. Knowing a significant number of people who are in the area plus having just finished a conference with the US Marines, I can tell you they are extremely happy with the AR platform. The majority of engagements are close in, rock throwing distances and the AR is doing what they need. To say or imply that the US military is looking to the M14 to replace the M16/M4 series is blantantly untrue. It is more expedient to use what you have in inventory than developing something new....but I can tell you, they are developing a designated marksman rifle that is not an M14. Don't read more into the fielding of the M14 that what is reality.

My 2 cents...

Jeff
 
Rohann said:
I know, but using a 10lb heavy-barrelled rifle set up for a precision match is going to take quite a bit of practice.

-Rohann
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If you're going to compete in service rifle, you'll be needing the practice regardless. Go with Hungry's advice.
 
Thanks for all the posts guys, I didn't see some of them beforehand.

Hungry: I think I might try that out. Next year, after I'm done basic training and I'm fitter, I'll try and use a Remington 700P in a service rifle match; I plan on buy either a 4-14x or 3.5-10x so the scope's power won't be a problem. If I'm fit enough and used to it enough, maybe I'll get somewhere.

-Rohann
 
Morpheus32 said:
I think you are seriously exagerating what is happening and I must jump in. The US military have identified a need for a designated marksman...who is not a sniper for record, to be part of the squad/platoon, to meet the needs of medium range precision fire. Knowing a significant number of people who are in the area plus having just finished a conference with the US Marines, I can tell you they are extremely happy with the AR platform. The majority of engagements are close in, rock throwing distances and the AR is doing what they need. To say or imply that the US military is looking to the M14 to replace the M16/M4 series is blantantly untrue. It is more expedient to use what you have in inventory than developing something new....but I can tell you, they are developing a designated marksman rifle that is not an M14. Don't read more into the fielding of the M14 that what is reality.

My 2 cents...

Jeff
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Kind of like what the Dragunov was originally designed for.

-Rohann
 
If you were taking cover behind a tree or some other sort of cover, which would you want shooting at you M16(5.56) or M14(7.62)? Which has the power to penetrate and hit the enemy?

I have obviously never been in combat (yet) but I would want a weapon system that would have considerable penetrating power. The kind of round that will blast through a wall and hit the terrorist that has been spraying AK fire at my section.
 
i wonder though.... if i were faced with a mob of zombies.... this lil baby would be the first thing i'd grab :D
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I'll second all the guys that recommended the AR system, for all the reasons they have mentioned. The plus side of the AR is that you can have 2 or more uppers: one for long range competitions, the other with a shorter barrel for close-in shooting. I just finished building myself a milspec C8-type AR-15 and I'm quite happy with it.

cheers
John
 
I think if I get really into service rifle and I have my restricted I'll go for an AR, but I'll practice with a Remington 700 starting in September or so.

-Rohann
 
Rohann said:
I think if I get really into service rifle and I have my restricted I'll go for an AR, but I'll practice with a Remington 700 starting in September or so.

-Rohann
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Since you're a young guy, I would recommend joining the Army reserves in any combat arms (Artillery, Armour, Infantry, Combat Engineers). Not only is it a well-paying job but you will receive some pretty cool weapons training, including on the C7 (fully transferable skills to the Ar15)

Just something to consider.

cheers
John
 
I was in the Reserves for 7 years. Not many live rounds fired. Qualify once a year and then maybe 1 or 2 excersies a year with live fire. But lots of wpn drill with blanks:rolleyes:

Work up training for deployment is a different story.
 
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