AR 180B2 vs XCR

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I am narrowing my search down for a .223 semi-auto to the AR 180B 2 and the XCR ( i want non-restricted). Can anyone tell me what the main difference(s) are for double the price? I posted for opinions a while back on the best .223 semi-auto and those two guns were the responses that came back. I would just like a little more info before i decide. I will be using the gun for predators and plinking.

Thanks!
 
The XCR definitely wins the ###y competition.

Having said that, the best bang for your buck might be the AR. I've heard good things about accuracy (around MOA at 100 yards) with optics when the right ammo is being chambered. For plinking and shooting coyotes you'd be set.

But the XCR might be comparable accuracy-wise, I haven't heard anything about them.
 
Main differences:

-AR180B is plastic lower/sheet metal upper; XCR is all forged/CNC'd aluminum.
-XCR's have the ability to do quick caliber conversion (6.8SPC is available, 7.62x39 soon).
-XCR is a long stroke piston (like the AK); AR180B is short stroke (like the vz-58).
-XCR is a very modern design with IMO ergonomics better than the AR-15; AR180B is a much older design, can't comment on the ergo's though (this is obviously subjective to each person)
-XCR comes with a full set of rails; 180 does not.
-XCR has left-side, non-reciprocating cocking handle; AR180B has right side, reciprocating cocking handle.

Not sure what a new AR180B goes for but new XCR's are under $2KCDN. The biggest problem with both is that they are hard to get!
 
QYV said:
Main differences:

-AR180B is plastic lower/sheet metal upper; XCR is all forged/CNC'd aluminum.
-XCR's have the ability to do quick caliber conversion (6.8SPC is available, 7.62x39 soon).
-XCR is a long stroke piston (like the AK); AR180B is short stroke (like the vz-58).
-XCR is a very modern design with IMO ergonomics better than the AR-15; -AR180B is a much older design, can't comment on the ergo's though (this is obviously subjective to each person)
-XCR comes with a full set of rails; 180 does not.
-XCR has left-side, non-reciprocating cocking handle; AR180B has right side, reciprocating cocking handle.

Not sure what a new AR180B goes for but new XCR's are under $2KCDN. The biggest problem with both is that they are hard to get!
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First off, the XCR is not under 2k. Mine ran me $2400CAD.

As I've said before, the XCR isn't bad rifle, it's just not worth $2400. I also have issues with the general design and the build of the rifle. My biggest beef is the quick change barrel. I don't like the idea of a single little bolt tightened into a divot holding my barrel in.

Yes, the AR180B is over priced, but not near as much.
 
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I could be a bit off with my figures but I believe that the Ruger Mini-14 Target Rifle is under $1000 and only a few pounds heavier than the two rifles you mentioned.

This rifle has been proven to shoot sub MOA with decent ammo. This isn't so important for shooting coyotes and tin cans but I'd wager that a Mini-14 target rifle could dispatch a Pepsi can at twice the distance an XCR or AR180B could ;)

Perhaps it's not exactly what you're looking for but its worth a look I think.
 
Take a look at dedicated XCR forums. These rifles are plagued with bugs. How much are you willing to pay for a ###y rifle that you can't shoot? If you are not 100% positive that an XCR is what you want, just forget it exists. You won't miss it - I promise.
 
It's no wonder they are plagued with bugs when the owners manual gives you instructions on how to fix your brand new gun when you notice none of the screws have Loctite and are now all loose. :rolleyes:
 
I too was wooed by the xcr when it fist appeared on the scene.
Handling one.. Not even firing it cured me.
 
i am waiting on the masada/ACR why cause as far as i know Mag Ppull has much better business practises and hasn't ####ed canadian gun owners over yet bushmaster seams to be a decent manufacturer and they have a better system out of the three rifles SCAR XCR and ACR for the barelsremoval less fidly looking i think FN had an un fair advantage in the contest for the repleacment of the M4 for spec ops teams because out of the three companys i know of it is the only one ever to make issued weapons for the us military my money is on the masada cause it seams comparable to the scar and has the added plus of um well not of winning the competition to be the new special forces issued weapon
 
Granted I'm a noob at black rifles, but I love my XCR. I'm not worried about one small screw in a divot holding my barrel in because the bolt locks into a barrel extension under fire. While it is subjective, I think the XCR is a quality built rifle. I agree that after looking at the dedicated forums, you'll have to agree that when you pull yours out of the box, you need to read the manual, completely disassemble it, clean and lube it, reassemble it with loctite then take it out for some fun. I do love it for the quality materials, ease of takedown, accuracy. It is front heavy, but that is our gun laws fault not the guns fault. Put an 18.5 inch barrel on any rifle and it will be front heavy.

For all the harsh words from folks here, I think they are forgetting that this is a brand new design, on a new fab setup. 30 years of ####ty AR's from 10 manufactures but it's the best damn rifle ever, the first 1000 rifles come out from Robinson and its a piece of junk? Look on the dedicated AR forums and they are littered with problems. Take the criticism of the XCR lightly.

If you get an XCR you will have to break it in as well. You may also have a small problem with the hole in the bolt face for the firing pin being a little too sharp. Pretty much 99% of all problems come down to bolt face (easy fix), break in (easy fix) or gas settings (already fixed). Anything else would liekly be a manufacturing defect and if you look on the forums, you'll see that Robarm are quick to solve problems for free.
 
So is it fair to assume that for the money the AR 180B2 is better overall than the XCR (dollar for dollar)? After reading the posts and for what i am planning to use it for the AR is pulling out ahead of the XCR.
 
my main reasons is what happend with the M96 expiditionary rifle they cancled production complealty to build the XCR and that was what 2, 3, 4 even 5 years ago it's not the problems i am worryed about it's thta the maker allready canceled a product once i am very nervous about buying a product with a manurfacture like that

one of the things i like is the ACR has no tools barrel change anc can convert after market AR15 barrels for it meaning you can prety mych by any barrel and have it made to fit it by a gunsmith with after market parts from what i have heard the gass system gets damaged it come sout with the barrel meaning you don't have to tune it for each barrel allittle more cost but is it a down side i don't think so it also means your gas system is part of the barrel no alinment issues can occur

even with that being said the XCR is a tempting buy if they every are avalable on a regular basis
 
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First off, the XCR is not under 2k. Mine ran me $2400CAD.

As I've said before, the XCR isn't bad rifle, it's just not worth $2400. I also have issues with the general design and the build of the rifle. My biggest beef is the quick change barrel. I don't like the idea of a single little bolt tightened into a divot holding my barrel in.

Yes, the AR180B is over priced, but not near as much.
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Check your prices again bro, XCR's are under $2K.
 
Wolverine doesn't have the XCR prices on their website at the moment, but my previous recollection is that they were just over 2k, unless that has changed. Alot of money to spend on a rifle that will likely be just a memory in a few years. The AR180B has a better track record so far, and a more realistic price.
 
The batch that is coming is at 1800$ I believe, just check in the thread in the wolverine supplies forum section.
 
it's a nice gun the masadas nicer i am still considering one though as i want a NR carbine service rilfe that takes STANAG magazines curently exept for crumby QC it seasm to be the best option for that given the features it has

would i rather an ACR you bet the barrel change methiod is the best out of the bunch and i believe the only one we'll likly ever see that has no tools field strip plus Mag pul and bushmaster have much better business practise's
 
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