AR 80% Lower Question

C18cz858 said:
What other ar parts do you need a licence to buy? I thought an upper is a restricted part to?
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Nope. The only part of the AR15 that is considered a firearm as far as acquisition is the lower receiver. ALL other parts, including upper receivers and upper receiver parts, are uncontrolled items and do not require a licence to purchase.

Same goes for most modern rifles.
 
sewktbk said:
Please explain how would you get charged for possessing something you can buy without any type of licence and that cannot in any way function as a firearm in its original state. It cannot even accept a trigger group...that certainly doesn't qualify as complete.


Sorry, but until 80% lowers require a RPAL for purchase, what you say is 100% unsupported.
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All we need is something from the RCMP firearms section saying that they do not consider anything 80% complete a firearm. Until then it is all opinion and nobody knows for sure. I don´t wish to be the guinea pig that pays the legal fees. Do you have any facts to support the interpretation of 80% is not adaptable in the firearms act? I think not. If they want to prosecute you I would guess that an 80% receiver and the jig to complete would make for a compelling case for being easily adaptable into a firearm. Just because the guy selling it to you does not ask for a RPAL does not mean it´s legal.

Just my 2 cents.....
 
Scott76 said:
All we need is something from the RCMP firearms section saying that they do not consider anything 80% complete a firearm. Until then it is all opinion and nobody knows for sure. I don´t wish to be the guinea pig that pays the legal fees. Do you have any facts to support the interpretation of 80% is not adaptable in the firearms act? I think not. If they want to prosecute you I would guess that an 80% receiver and the jig to complete would make for a compelling case for being easily adaptable into a firearm. Just because the guy selling it to you does not ask for a RPAL does not mean it´s legal.

Just my 2 cents.....
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You'd figure with all the 80s kicking around we would of heard about bust or raids, the police monitor this site so it is no secret venders are selling these.
 
Scott76 said:
All we need is something from the RCMP firearms section saying that they do not consider anything 80% complete a firearm. Until then it is all opinion and nobody knows for sure. I don´t wish to be the guinea pig that pays the legal fees. Do you have any facts to support the interpretation of 80% is not adaptable in the firearms act? I think not. If they want to prosecute you I would guess that an 80% receiver and the jig to complete would make for a compelling case for being easily adaptable into a firearm. Just because the guy selling it to you does not ask for a RPAL does not mean it´s legal.

Just my 2 cents.....
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Are you suggesting that licensed firearms dealers and manufacturers like Dlask an GP tactical are getting away with selling illegal items and advertising them on their websites?? :rolleyes:

Your 2 cents is based on ignorance. an 80% lower is not a firearm, as it cannot perform as one in its 80% state. Period. Thats why you don't need an RPAL for it, thats why it doesn't have a serial number on it, and thats why canadian retailers and manufacturers can legally sell them.

the opinion of an armchair lawyer like yourself isn't worth much when a licensed manufacturer like Dlask (you know, licensed by the CFO/RCMP) has been selling these 80% lowers for YEARS. Those are the facts. Where are yours?

h ttp://dlaskarms.com/collections/ar-15-parts/products/80-ar-15-lower-anodized

directly from their website ;

Note: These 80% Receiver’s are in the white and are not a gun, NO paper work or PAL is required to purchase them. All local laws should be followed, and it is up to YOU to find out what those laws are. Before you complete the lower, know what the laws are in your jurisdiction to prevent being in violation of the law.
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Ha.... Fight children, I hate peace.

I'm awaiting my 80% .308 poly lower to ship, do I need it? Nope, will I complete it? Doubt it, is it a cool conversation piece?... I think so.
 
So based on what they say you know the law?... in your jurisdiction. Sounds like bit of a CYA. All you need to do is provide a letter or doc from the RCMP saying they buy into the 80% rule. If you don´t have that then shut your cake hole.
 
Scott76 said:
So based on what they say you know the law?... in your jurisdiction. Sounds like bit of a CYA. All you need to do is provide a letter or doc from the RCMP saying they buy into the 80% rule. If you don´t have that then shut your cake hole.
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Well it's a federal jurisdiction. So the law is the same Canada wide. 80% lowers aren't firearms. The rcmp won't say anything, or give you anything in writing. Go read the firearms act and govern yourself accordingly.

If you start one of these kits, making it into a firearm, you best get on the paperwork before you leave the house with it once it's done. Probably not a good idea to start pushing beyond 80% complete and stop at 95% done without doing that same process.
 
I was wondering about legality of making a deactivated out of an 80% lower but the specs on that say a bunch of other stuff like plugged barrels and such... However a 80% was never an actual firearm to begin with.

What constitutes a replica?
 
ShawnC6 said:
I was wondering about legality of making a deactivated out of an 80% lower but the specs on that say a bunch of other stuff like plugged barrels and such... However a 80% was never an actual firearm to begin with.

What constitutes a replica?
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I have no friggin clue.... Best to tread carefully on this one though. Replica firearms are prohibited in Canada. It's retarded, I know.
 
ShawnC6 said:
I was wondering about legality of making a deactivated out of an 80% lower but the specs on that say a bunch of other stuff like plugged barrels and such... However a 80% was never an actual firearm to begin with.

What constitutes a replica?
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Deuce-deuce said:
I have no friggin clue.... Best to tread carefully on this one though. Replica firearms are prohibited in Canada. It's retarded, I know.
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I would suggest that if it never was a firearm, then it is a replica. Be careful.

I recall that a member posted a reply received from the SFSS regarding one of these receiver projects. The advice was to register early.
Folks can get advice from the SFSS, and/or make their own decision.
Their choice.
No advice from an anonymous stranger on the 'net will be worth squat if push were to come to shove.
 
Scott76 said:
So based on what they say you know the law?... in your jurisdiction. Sounds like bit of a CYA. All you need to do is provide a letter or doc from the RCMP saying they buy into the 80% rule. If you don´t have that then shut your cake hole.
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No, based on their federally issued manufacturing license and them selling 80 lowers for years without a hickup. If you want to run around saying what they are doing is illegal go right ahead, but dont expect anyone with half a brain and a pulse to take you seriously.

Hey i have an idea, why dont you call Dlask to tell them what they are doing is illegal and report back? Lets see who gets his cake hole shut...
 
ShawnC6 said:
I was wondering about legality of making a deactivated out of an 80% lower but the specs on that say a bunch of other stuff like plugged barrels and such... However a 80% was never an actual firearm to begin with.

What constitutes a replica?
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A replica firearm is a device that is not a real firearm, but that was designed to look exactly or almost exactly like a real firearm.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/replica-replique-eng.htm
 
Hoping not to sound stupid here...
So the blue plastic pistols, most air soft guns, and some toy guns sold at department stores are prohibited items?
The vast majority of people couldn't tell the difference between a painted water gun and the real deal, so where is the line drawn? If I have an incomplete 80% lower built intoa non functioning rifle without a trigger, is that a replica? Real guns have triggers so it's not replicated right?
 
Définition from the cc

“replica firearm”

« réplique »

“replica firearm” means any device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, a firearm, and that itself is not a firearm, but does not include any such device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, an antique firearm;
 
Ya, I read the link. How does a dewat fit into the bill? It's essentially a firearm that is no longer a firearm that is intended to exactly resemble the real functioning firearm.
I hate these grey laws. I'm confident a guy wouldn't loose this fight in court, but it would be costly I'm sure. That being said, if the individual were to use it in a crime, they should be nailed to the cross.
 
purplezuk said:
Ya, I read the link. How does a dewat fit into the bill? It's essentially a firearm that is no longer a firearm that is intended to exactly resemble the real functioning firearm.
I hate these grey laws. I'm confident a guy wouldn't loose this fight in court, but it would be costly I'm sure. That being said, if the individual were to use it in a crime, they should be nailed to the cross.
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Dewat is a deactivated firearm, not a replica.

I, m not a lawyer :) but...
 
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