AR - 9mm Question

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First of all my wife and my bank account hate all of you AR folk out there that got me hooked on AR's! :D I am interested in purchasing an AR in 9mm I have looked at the CMMG 9mm at Questar and they look good! Are there any other options in Canada.... (Can you use the 10 round LAR mags with these or are they still 5 round cap) and yes I would like to stay under the $1800 mark to start.
 
Ok... well I dont have a 9mm AR, but have definatly played with the idea and will hopefully get one soon. Questar has 10 rd 9mm mags for the AR-9mm platform. Every once and a while a few 10/30 rounders will pop up on EE.

You can definatly manage to find an AR in 9mm for around $1800 (+/- 10%) but your best guess would be to buy an AR15 lower and get a mag well conversion (also sold by questar) to convert an AR15 lower to 9mm. Then you can buy a 9mm upper with all the trimmings (cocking handle, bolt, and obvioously barrel.) Depending on the lower you purchase, you may need to change out the hammer and buffer.

There are other options such as Sabre defense sold by Wolverine, but then your looking at a $2400+tax price tag.

The other great thing about 9mm ARs, besides the ammo cost, indoor ranges, lack of recoil, and awesomeness, is that you wife will love it, as will you.

Good shooting.
 
I have the 9mm AR made by CMMG with the 8 inch barel.This thing is awesome and a accurate fun gun.Yes you can use the ten rnd mags that Questars sells and buy lots:D
One thing i would recommend is getting a dedicated 9mm lower.No you wont be able to swap to a 223 upper but i found it to be more reliable.That is my exsperiance so far with both styles.
Another thing you might want to look at is Questar has the Lone wolf 9mm lowers that will accept the Glock mags:)There needs to be a mod done to the bolt to make it work.
 
I find that my 9mm AR-15 sees the most range time. Accurate to 75 (the farthest I shot it) and extremely fun.

If you are serious about the 9mm AR-15 would would either buy complete rife or set up a 9mm dedicated lower.
 
I picked up a Bushmaster Carbon 15 9mm 10" with 4 Lars and 2-32s for a very reasonable price (<$1500) last summer. Definitely has that cool factor and is deadly up to 50yds. Haven't seen many on EE but one to consider if one pops up.
 
Some people may not like them, but I scored a Olympic Arms K9GL (9mm, takes Glock mags) several years ago and I absolutely love it. Accurate, tons of fun, mags are easy to get. Gets lots of attention at the range. Everyone who's tried it falls in love with it.
It's mine and I ain't sellin' :p :D

(E) :cool:
 
Thanx for all the input guys... I have only found new ones at Questar, are there any other dealers in Canada that are stocking any other 9mm AR style pistols?
 
Ok... well I dont have a 9mm AR, but have definatly played with the idea and will hopefully get one soon. Questar has 10 rd 9mm mags for the AR-9mm platform. Every once and a while a few 10/30 rounders will pop up on EE.

You can definatly manage to find an AR in 9mm for around $1800 (+/- 10%) but your best guess would be to buy an AR15 lower and get a mag well conversion (also sold by questar) to convert an AR15 lower to 9mm. Then you can buy a 9mm upper with all the trimmings (cocking handle, bolt, and obvioously barrel.) Depending on the lower you purchase, you may need to change out the hammer and buffer.

There are other options such as Sabre defense sold by Wolverine, but then your looking at a $2400+tax price tag.

The other great thing about 9mm ARs, besides the ammo cost, indoor ranges, lack of recoil, and awesomeness, is that you wife will love it, as will you.

Good shooting.

Not quite sure why someone that doesn't even own a 9mm AR is offering advice about them. I never understood why people feel a need to respond to posts when they have no direct experience of what is being discussed. It's truly a waste of time for others on this forum.
9mm ARs can require a fair bit of planning & research to get right.
They can have serious feeding issues which can vary greatly depending on the brand of AR components & brand of magazines. There are many owners that have some mags work & others do not. There's more to it than go buy a lower, slap a mag well in & you're good to go.

By the way I DO own a 9mm Rock River Arms 10.5" with integral mag well & would highly recommend it. I've had a few feeding problems with the C Products 10 round mags but have overcome these with a slight mag modification & now have five 100% reliable mags.
I was not very happy with the Olympic GL-9 I previously owned & sold it.
There are also Lone Wolf 9mm AR Lowers that utilize Glock magazines. They are still quite new to the market & require a bolt modification.
Try looking at the AR15.com forum too because they have a dedicated pistol caliber AR section.
In my opinion 9mm ARs require a lot more research,perseverance & tinkering than many other guns but are well worth it. Best of luck!!!
 
Thanx for all the input guys... I have only found new ones at Questar, are there any other dealers in Canada that are stocking any other 9mm AR style pistols?

Questar took good care of me when I picked up a 9mm AR. Upper, buffer, hammer, magwell conversion kit, and 3 mags. I'm familiar with AR's so had no problems dropping it into a RRA lower that I had.

If you're not familiar with AR's, I would just buy one "complete" from Questar. You won't go wrong doing that.
 
There are two different style of 9mm ARs

First you have the Olympic pattern system that was used with standard AR lowers. These are harder to find and not quite as popular. They utilize a modified Sten / Uzi mag ( goofy block welded on ) or a aftermarket ( Hahn Precision mag block ). They also had complete carbines that utilize pistol mags

The most popular system is the Colt pattern. This is what the RRA and CMMG and Colt system uses

Although you can buy dedicated lowers ( no need for mag block ) I fail to see ( unless you have money to burn ) the purpose of that. You can get standard lowers with a mag block to work 100%

Mag Blocks

Here is where some 9mm Colt systems do not work 100% reliably if you don't set them up right. First off the problem is where the mag block is tightened. This is why on C-Products site ( one of the makers of the 9mm Colt style...and the people who make the Questar 10rd ) state plainly that you need to adjust your mag block .015 to .020" lower for RRA system

Secondly, there is a difference between mag blocks. The easiest available are the RRA / C-Products and can be identified by the squared off feed ramp

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The harder to find ( Brownells ) is the Hahn blocks. As you can see from the pic below, the feed ramp is much different. The Hahn block is not finicky when it comes to the height your tighen it down at, even with C-Products mags

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Having played with numerous 9mm setups, I can say that the Hahn block is much better than the other Colt style. They are also available in 3 styles. Top load, bottom load, dedicated

Bolt Hold Open

Not all Colt pattern systems will function the BHO with non Colt mags ( ie C-Products ) Too complicated to discuss here. For example, only 2 of the 3 Hahn variations has this function

UZI Mags

You can use UZI mags in Colt patter systems by milling / grinding new catch notch. You can also buy a V-M Hytec mag block that takes UNMODIFIED uzi mags.

Modification of 5.56 Lower FCG

RRA sells all the "parts" ( hammer, buffer, buffer spacer etc ) to allow you to convert your 5.56 lower to run the RRA / Colt style upper. You can use the 9mm hammer for 5.56 upper so this is not a bad way to go

Ramped Bolt ( not really a "carrier" )

You can have a RRA bolt ramped to allow the function of standard 5.56 hammers / match hammers etc.

The CMMG upper has a ramped bolt already. This alone would make me buy the CMMG over the RRA ( unless you have access to a milling machine )

In case you are wondering what happens with a non ramped bolt and a 5.56 hammer such as the RRA NM.....it locks the gun up the gun up as soon as you pull the bolt back so bad that you need to use both takedown pins to disassemble

9mm Buffer

Since these are blowback systems, you need a heavier buffer. A 5.56 upper may or may not run with this heavier buffer.

I would buy a RRA / CMMG system from Questars with a 5.56 lower. If you can get a dealer who imports from Brownells then order the Hahn bottom load or dedicated mag block. It pricey but worth the$$
 
$1800 for a 9mm AR...?

This one cost me exactly $1,342.25 not incl the cost of the el-cheapo red-dot sight which I had lying around...

Assembled myself with all new components..
RRA Lower, DPMS LPK, RRA mag block, RRA 16" Mid-Length Upper, MagPul butt and grip...
'Now wears a MBUS as well which cost about $60

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I would suggest you guys look at the AR style lowers that use Glock mags, I have one of the Oly 9mm that use G17 and its been very good after the initial bugs :)

If you guys sign up for the latest Questar email they are working on a new Ar 9mm lower using Glock mags.
 
I would suggest you guys look at the AR style lowers that use Glock mags, I have one of the Oly 9mm that use G17 and its been very good after the initial bugs :)

If you guys sign up for the latest Questar email they are working on a new Ar 9mm lower using Glock mags.

I bought one of the first Olly Arms Glock carbines from Questar when they got them a few years ago.Stupid me i went and sold it:mad:
I am interested in the Lone wolf ones thet Questar has.I hope they will offer a complete rifle with the modified bolt.
 
Can anyone tell us exactly what the mod is that's necessary for the bolts to work with the lone wolf lowers? I am interested in one of these too. Thanks for all the info guys!
 
Can anyone tell us exactly what the mod is that's necessary for the bolts to work with the lone wolf lowers? I am interested in one of these too. Thanks for all the info guys!

Here a reply i got from Questar.

The Lone Wolf AR Lowers that use Glock Magazines require a modification to the bolt so that it fits inside the lips of the Glock magazine (which is narrower than an AR 9mm magazine). This means that several thousands of an inch much be machined off each side of the underneath of the bolt. If you have a Mill then it’s a fairly straight forward task. In theory it can be done with a dremel tool but that is much more difficult and much easier to screw up.

Other than that there’s not much else that needs to be done. You need a full face (rounded) .223/5.56 hammer in the lower (to work with the CMMG 9mm bolt group). Pretty much that’s it.
 
Anyone purchased one of the Lone Wolf lowers yet? I'm interested in seeing how much of a mod is required to the bolt, and if anyone is planning a .40S&W or .357Sig project. ;)
 
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