AR mag report from Lone Butte event

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Well, on day 4 I was invited by Hungry to shoot my AR instead of the M14, in order to familiarize myself with the drills using that platform for possible future teaching.

Big thing was mags..... in the 38 degree sun, and under a bit of stress from the drills, (nothing like real life deployment type stress of course) some mags perform better than others.

I know this is old ground for most of you, and I am saying what you already know, but here's what I found. PMAGS performed perfectly, no issues whatsoever, after being dropped repeatedly, stepped on, baked in the heat, etc.
LAR mags performed "so-so". Most of the time they worked, if I kept them out of the sun, but left to bake in the open, they started to malfuntion. Heat does something to the geometry of the feed lips or something.?
Plus they don't like it when Hungry stomps on them.

The regular aluminium mags are nothing more than lousy doorstops, and no more needs to be said about them.

Most mags are fine at the bench, in the shade, shooting at static targets, taking your time, always doing a mag change on an empty chamber.
After that, its PMAGS all the way! I'm looking for those "5.5" mags now!

haha!
 
I've been holding out on buying PMags until they have one that works in the Tavor. If I heard right, they are fixing the issues with non AR rifles using these mags as there were problems with damage to the bolt due to the mag release being pushed upwards. As soon as this is addressed then I'll jump on board the PMag bandwagon.
 
So you went to an M14 clinc and brought your AR???
WTF!
:slap:
There is a reason why the M14 is still in service you know right?
LoL!!!
Next time you are doing something like this take a towel and drape it not only over your mags but also your rifle if your out in the sun. Also before you load up I have another trick for ya. A little of a little bit of lube around the inner wall of the magazine were it rubs againts the follower and in the magwell area were the magazine is placed save's you lots of time and grief when running the metal mag's.
;)
 
Satain said:
So you went to an M14 clinc and brought your AR???
WTF!
:slap:
There is a reason why the M14 is still in service you know right?
LoL!!!
Next time you are doing something like this take a towel and drape it not only over your mags but also your rifle if your out in the sun. Also before you load up I have another trick for ya. A little of a little bit of lube around the inner wall of the magazine were it rubs againts the follower and in the magwell area were the magazine is placed save's you lots of time and grief when running the metal mag's.
;)
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Thanks for the tips, Satain. One of the CF guys there suggested similar remedies. Good advice. Popcan had his AR there because Hungry was trying to kill two birds with one stone. He asked Popcan to bring it. :cool:
 
popcan said:
The regular aluminium mags are nothing more than lousy doorstops, and no more needs to be said about them.
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What a load of crap. There is nothing wrong with USGI aluminum mags, they work just fine. Will they survive a heel stomp? No, nor were they designed to.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I've been holding out on buying PMags until they have one that works in the Tavor. If I heard right, they are fixing the issues with non AR rifles using these mags as there were problems with damage to the bolt due to the mag release being pushed upwards. As soon as this is addressed then I'll jump on board the PMag bandwagon.
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You can adjust your PMAGS to work in your TAVOR with little more than 10-30 seconds worth of careful dremel work. No need to wait.
 
It would be heaven to at least have 10 round Pmgas, they are my fav as well. ...Of course 30 rounds would be better but yea right neva gonna happen....suck ballz... :mad:
 
Leg said:
What a load of crap. There is nothing wrong with USGI aluminum mags, they work just fine. Will they survive a heel stomp? No, nor were they designed to.
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Not a load of crap if that is my experience. However, I will rephrase my comment for more accuracy so you won't feel so offended.

The USGI mags I used were nothing more than lousy doorstops.
The other thing I didn't like was that they were pinned so tight to 5 rounds. Maybe others are not that way.
 
Just because you've had issues doesn't make them garbage. People have had problems with PMags too, does that mean they're all trash?

Properly maintained GI mags work well. I think I've only encountered four mags over the years that didn't work properly because they been bent in some way. I crushed them underfoot to make sure no one would ever get those mags again and carried on.

Really I'm not offended, just tired of everyone thinking they are somehow inferior mags and PMags can do no wrong.
 
But… but… it's a Pmag!!!!!! lol sorry. I like magpul stuff but the hard-on for the over weight Pmag is sickening. (not directed at anyone specific)
 
I am a believer in the Pmags after seeing how they performed at the event. I had a bit of prejudice toward "plastic" mags but I can't argue with the results.
 
Obviously stomping on metal magazines is going to deform them and induce malfunctions, not sure why you would want to do this? Heat should not have any effect on your metal mags, aluminum doesn't melt at 30 degrees.
 
Well, as I re- phrased my comments, I am only reporting on the mags I was using. Not a fan boy of anything, and I know any product can have good and bad. I'm just saying that at this clinic, those were my results with the stuff I used in my rifle. Maybe it was my rifle and not the mags, or a combination. Whatever. I'm bored now.
 
So what sort of issues did you have with the aluminum mags? You call it a report but don't write anything about USGI mags, dismissing them as "doorstops, nothing more needs to said". As if it's common knowledge that they're junk. You seem to like the LAR mags even though you did experience some problems. The fact that they're simply shortened aluminum mags seems to have been lost on you. Doesn't that automatically put them in the doorstop category?

I left my mags in my tac vest, outside, in the hot afghan sun, with the occassional dust storm for seven months and they worked just fine everytime I pulled the trigger. I didn't drop them, or step on them but I did climb a lot of walls and jumped into a lot river beds and they suffered no ill effects. No doubt that PMags would have performed admirably as well.
 
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