AR Newbie. Brand differences?

I have shot, DD, spikes, WW, Core, PWS, norinco and I own a noveske.

From what I have shot I obviously like mine the most but there is nothing wrong with Daniel Defence, my roommate has one and 1000 rounds so far and never one problem. Another friend has a piston PWS and he's put over 5000 rounds thru it and no problem. Spikes and core are great aswell. Haven't shot the windam to much but it seemed fine aswell. But the one time a shot a norinco it fell apart... Not saying that my word is what you should go off but that's what happend. I personally would never buy one tho.

Unless you have extra money, I would recommend a DD. best AR for the price, for sure.

If you have the money get a noveske or a PWS.
 
Youngfreshtoodeath said:
I have shot, DD, spikes, WW, Core, PWS, norinco and I own a noveske.

From what I have shot I obviously like mine the most but there is nothing wrong with Daniel Defence, my roommate has one and 1000 rounds so far and never one problem. Another friend has a piston PWS and he's put over 5000 rounds thru it and no problem. Spikes and core are great aswell. Haven't shot the windam to much but it seemed fine aswell. But the one time a shot a norinco it fell apart... Not saying that my word is what you should go off but that's what happend. I personally would never buy one tho.

Unless you have extra money, I would recommend a DD. best AR for the price, for sure.

If you have the money get a noveske or a PWS.
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Jesus! What exactly fell apart? I have put thousands of rounds through mine without a hitch, or a sign of a hitch
 
Youngfreshtoodeath said:
I have shot, DD, spikes, WW, Core, PWS, norinco and I own a noveske.

From what I have shot I obviously like mine the most but there is nothing wrong with Daniel Defence, my roommate has one and 1000 rounds so far and never one problem. Another friend has a piston PWS and he's put over 5000 rounds thru it and no problem. Spikes and core are great aswell. Haven't shot the windam to much but it seemed fine aswell. But the one time a shot a norinco it fell apart... Not saying that my word is what you should go off but that's what happend. I personally would never buy one tho.

Unless you have extra money, I would recommend a DD. best AR for the price, for sure.

If you have the money get a noveske or a PWS.
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Good advice. I did lots of research before buying my ar. BCM Daniel Defense and Noveske came out on top. Bcm was a no go because they didnt export to canada at the time. The difference between N and Dd as i understood it was the N was more accurate and the DD was more of a battle reliable gun. Man was it hard to find a dd at the time but thats what I went with.
 
Pancake81 said:
The older Olympic arms were not that great if I remember. Your saying the new ones are descent? Always nice to have another good option
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They're still ####.

If you want real data about AR-15's you have to Google it, here you're gonna get emotions.
 
Im in the same boat. Looking at a norinco(but there arent any 14.5" in Canada). That way you get a cheap one and learn what you like in an ar. Then sell said Ar and buy what you really want. I just cant justify dropping 1100-1500 on an NEA or a Daniel Defense and wishing I had bought something different.
 
Pancake81 said:
Jesus! What exactly fell apart? I have put thousands of rounds through mine without a hitch, or a sign of a hitch
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First the barrel fell off the upper, so he put it back on. Then the lower parts came loose inside the lower... Mind you, the rifle was fresh out the box and clearly a lemon but I haven't heard of such a sour lemon from any other company. I can understand some of them are descent, but I will never buy one.

But like I say alot on this forum... "To each his own."
 
I also went thru this dilemna for a while. I just didn't want a Norc for this purchase, so I looked at a few more.

Smith "Sport", DPMS Oracle, CORE, WW etc.

I liked the WW-15 the best of this price range, and the service was good where I bought it, so I took the plunge. :) The butt stock is cheapish, but who keeps the stocker anyways? And it does not come with any sights at all, so you need to get something. It did come with a lockable rifle case tho, so thats a plus. But other than that, it looks and feels like more expensive ones. My buddy has a couple of other makes and it compares favorably.
 
For me, there were two choices... and only two choices

Daniel Defense and Norinco. I either bit the bullet and spent the extra cake for the DD or lived with the imperfections ( visual ) of the Norinco. In the end I just bought both :rolleyes:

Honestly the DD is the best rifle you can get for the price.. hands down, no question. However, an AR for $699 with as good of a track record as the Norinco - heck, why not ? Worst case scenario is you hate it and sell it on the EE for exactly what you paid for it. Ive never seen an AR hold its value as well as the Norinco.

I did put a few hundred into the Norinco ( new stock, sights, grip, trigger assembly, safety and optic ) but it was still a damn cheap "build" and it outperforms the majority of budget american built AR's at my local range.

That being said, I think my avatar says it all ;)

Just my 0.02
 
It's interesting how the ADCOR remains a secret in the AR world. If you're set on a piston upper then it's worth checking it out. I have Armalite, Stag, LMT and ADCOR. For their intended roles and cost I like all of them. For a cool piston setup with DI accuracy I recommend the ADCOR. It amazes me how this upper seems to go un noticed. Lots of good choices and quality products. But the ADCOR may very well keep the AR relevant another 10 years or more. I'm not a piston AR fan and originally dismissed them as just another piston setup. It's worth looking into. Very clever design.
 
No major issues with bushmaster xm15. Component parts are not high quality but still function well. I found a second completed upper and found differences in components immediately. Ie finish and workmanship. Bushmaster seems to err on the side of cheapness as much as it can. Doesnt seem to matter. The cf uses bushmaster equipment in some stuff so that cant be bad right?
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
So any other vendors who carry Oly and actually have their stuff in stock? I couldn't find that brand with any of our guys.
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Why? That's not a brand you want to buy. Unless you're one of the posters on here that reads about bad products and then just has to rush out and buy it. A sponsor on here posted how their sales went up with every negative thread on the product. I guess any advertising is good advertising. Also it seems many haven't learned that buying cheap crud is more expensive in the long run than buying decent products.

I'm sure this isn't why you were asking as there are two negative posts already in the Oly brand. But it does come across as asking where to buy one despite sound advice to pass on that product. There are too many really good products to waste time on substandard.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
So any other vendors who carry Oly and actually have their stuff in stock? I couldn't find that brand with any of our guys.
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That is the issue with the US brands, American's are still gobbling up AR's and supporting those manufacturers that support the public, Oly came out and said they weren't going to sell to government and focus on the civilian market, just did a little search and found the release so thought I'd include it below. Sorry if it's a little bit of a high jack, but at the same time, the actions of the manufacturer can speak of who the company is and whos product you're buying.


Press Release: Olympic Arms, Inc. Announces New York State Sales Policy

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights. One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms.

Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines. We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller – 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago – 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller – 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.

Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity – will no longer be served as customers.

In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York – henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.

If the leaders of the State of New York are willing to limit the right of the free and law abiding citizens of New York to arm themselves as they see fit under the Rights enumerate to all citizens of the United State through the Second Amendment, we feel as though the legislators and government entities within the State of New York should have to abide by the same restrictions.

This action has caused a division of the people into classes: Those the government deems valuable enough to protect with modern firearms, and those whose lives have been deemed as having less value, and whom the government has decided do not deserve the right to protect themselves with the same firearms. Olympic Arms will not support such behavior or policy against any citizen of this great nation.

Olympic Arms invites all firearms manufacturers, distributors and firearms dealers to join us in this action to refuse to do business with the State of New York. We must stand together, or we shall surely fall divided.

Sincerely,

Brian Schuetz
President
Olympic Arms, Inc.
 
Epoxy7 said:
Why? That's not a brand you want to buy. Unless you're one of the posters on here that reads about bad products and then just has to rush out and buy it. A sponsor on here posted how their sales went up with every negative thread on the product. I guess any advertising is good advertising. Also it seems many haven't learned that buying cheap crud is more expensive in the long run than buying decent products.

I'm sure this isn't why you were asking as there are two negative posts already in the Oly brand. But it does come across as asking where to buy one despite sound advice to pass on that product. There are too many really good products to waste time on substandard.
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One was talking about older ones and it was followed up by a good review. Missed the other one until I went through the thread again. Thanks for the heads up.
 
condomboy said:
All the Norcs I saw were $699, I think I got my Oly for $799... it might have been $899 but pretty sure it was $799. I traded in my used CZ858, bought a scope and an ammo can of .223 so don't remember how it all broke down.

Either way, it's definately good value for the money for an American made unit, I'd definately buy it again.

I got mine through International Shooting Supplies in Surrey, their website is garbage if you're looking for specific things, but the service from the staff is great.
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Going off topic but I tried to talk to them about their crappy website.
Thanks for the heads up on the Olympic.
 
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