AR pistol magazine wish...

Well sparked from this thread alone, tonight I wrote a letter to both Magpul and also Troy industries on this very topic. I also attached pitcures of examples as per the indication on such magazines that Questar and many other vendors have that are currently available to us. Of course I am hopefull that someone will give such consideration, it surely would be nice to have a quality polymer style Pmag or such with a 10 round capacity. Not to say the metal ones we can get now don't work as they do, however just would be nice to have another "quality" option. So we shall see, for sure if I get any response from anyone I will post the responses. I also think that if I do not get answers via email, I shall call some people after new years and really pick and dig, it can't hurt. ;)
 
fenceline said:
Magazines built and intended for a pistol are limited to 10.

Magazines built and intended for a centrefire rifle are limited to 5.

If a magazine built and intended for a pistol happens to fit into a centrefire rifle, it is still legal.

Would somebody... ANYBODY.... please make a magazine sticky in the Legalese section.
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Been saying this forever. even made the "mock thread i.e. sticky this NOAW"

but it never was. So we're stuck with people asking this every week.

and the response "its in the questar forum" isn't good enough - I hate it.

I don't think I've ever been in that forum ONCE since I joined CGN.
 
All this talk about making 10 round pistol magazines "look" like 20 or 30 rounders. All this effort. You know.... if all this effort was directed at directing the Conservatives, the government we bought and paid for, to get rid of the magazine limitations garbage, think how much farther ahead we would be. But we as Canadians seem more inclined today to skirt the issue instead of facing it head on. If our forefathers thought that way, we would all be speaking German now.
 
8 ball said:
My point is that when these mags were brought into Canada, they were legally imported. Where do you get off telling folks that they are prohibited? I will repeat what I said earlier, just because they are not letting more into Canada doesn't mean that the ones that are here already are prohibited. THIS IS A RUMOR THAT YOU STARTED. And I do own 3 10/30 9mm promags. LEGALLY, I might add. :slap: :p
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Legally imported at the time just like that Norinco bullpup was. If they were able to be imported into Canada I would buy twenty. Im sure they are not to worried about them as how would you know who owns them all. No #'s on a mag, BUT AS OF NOW THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS A 10 ROUND CENTERFIRE MAGAZINE. Hang on to the one's you got because you won't be buying anymore anytime soon as I have tried to get some LEGALLY.:slap:
 
You are trying too hard to apply logic where logic doesn't apply. You are saying that because they will not let you bring more into the country, that the ones that are here are prohibited by default. This is not true. If 10/30 pistol mags were actually prohibited there would be a notification saying as much on the CFC website and asking people to turn them in, same as has happened with the Zoraki starter pistols that were recently deemed to be a prohibited firearm. The ones currently in Canada are NOT classed as a 10 round centerfire rifle magazine, they ARE classed as a 10 round pistol magazine. Whether or not they let more into the country does not change this. If they rule that 10/30 pistol magazines are prohibited we will hear about it. Till then don't spread false information.
 
8 ball said:
You are trying too hard to apply logic where logic doesn't apply. You are saying that because they will not let you bring more into the country, that the ones that are here are prohibited by default. This is not true. If 10/30 pistol mags were actually prohibited there would be a notification saying as much on the CFC website and asking people to turn them in, same as has happened with the Zoraki starter pistols that were recently deemed to be a prohibited firearm. The ones currently in Canada are NOT classed as a 10 round centerfire rifle magazine, they ARE classed as a 10 round pistol magazine. Whether or not they let more into the country does not change this. If they rule that 10/30 pistol magazines are prohibited we will hear about it. Till then don't spread false information.
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Don't care about the ones that are here. I've seen pics and they are just a pmag stenciled with the RRA LAR15 and looks really good.
But you don"t see any 5.56 30 round pmags with those markings and pinned to ten do you? Of course not because those are ILLEGAL as doing so with with a 32 round 9mm is illegal. They might have been legally imported but customs or somebody caught on and put a stop to it real quick. It dosen't matter to me if yours are legal or not. If your losing sleep call the CFC or bury them under the grainery to make you feel better. 30 or 32 round AR mags that are pinned to ten ARE ILLEGAL IN CANADA. There are probably not enough 10/32 9mm mags in this country to fill a hockey bag so I don't think the powers that be are too worried about it. But I am not spreading false info or starting rumours. The laws are in the stickeys, you should clean the cow dung off your monitor and read them
 
Tuco Pike said:
All this talk about making 10 round pistol magazines "look" like 20 or 30 rounders. All this effort. You know.... if all this effort was directed at directing the Conservatives, the government we bought and paid for, to get rid of the magazine limitations garbage, think how much farther ahead we would be. But we as Canadians seem more inclined today to skirt the issue instead of facing it head on. If our forefathers thought that way, we would all be speaking German now.
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I dont disagree with you so to be clear on that. However I suppose "can't hurt" to write some letters and "try" for the "meantime", as I would love to think we could rid of the capacity regulations, but we all know how quick that can or could happen is all I am saying.

I would love to hit it head on, so would many others, however that for sure is a step I'd love to see once the LGR is gone, it's a one slow step process in Canada it seems.
 
Bolivar said:
The 30 round length is easier to pull from pouches an to use as a shooting support, IMO
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Good point you're correct. I seen this evening I just got notification that my letters had been read, no responses yet so we shall see if anything can come back, hopefull anyhow. ;)
 
cormann2 said:
Don't care about the ones that are here. I've seen pics and they are just a pmag stenciled with the RRA LAR15 and looks really good.
But you don"t see any 5.56 30 round pmags with those markings and pinned to ten do you? Of course not because those are ILLEGAL as doing so with with a 32 round 9mm is illegal. They might have been legally imported but customs or somebody caught on and put a stop to it real quick. It dosen't matter to me if yours are legal or not. If your losing sleep call the CFC or bury them under the grainery to make you feel better. 30 or 32 round AR mags that are pinned to ten ARE ILLEGAL IN CANADA. There are probably not enough 10/32 9mm mags in this country to fill a hockey bag so I don't think the powers that be are too worried about it. But I am not spreading false info or starting rumours. The laws are in the stickeys, you should clean the cow dung off your monitor and read them
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If it was designed in the states as a 9mm 32 round (or 30 round) AR pistol mag, then pinning it to 10 for Canada would still be legal here, as it was designed as a pistol mag. That is why you can buy Glock 30 round mags pinned to 10 here.

As long as the original design intention was that it was a pistol mag, it doesn't matter how many rounds it was designed for, as long as it only fits 10 once it is north of the border.

If they were illegal, a bulletin would be published, as there has been for an innumerable number of magazines that have been ruled illegal that were once permitted.
 
There are a few companies that are selling inserts for PMAGs for the California market that limit the PMAG to 10 rounds. Of course this is a modification and wouldn't count as being intentionally designed as a 10 round pistol mag from the manufacturer. Now if Magpul made the mags with the insert as part of the base at the time of original production, and it was one fixed piece it might work...

I'd love to see mag limits removed, but I'm not against working for that while trying to work within the current rules in the meantime.
 
fenceline said:
If it was designed in the states as a 9mm 32 round (or 30 round) AR pistol mag, then pinning it to 10 for Canada would still be legal here, as it was designed as a pistol mag. That is why you can buy Glock 30 round mags pinned to 10 here.


That is the problem with the 9mm 32round mags, they don't see them as pistol mags. Even the uzi pistol mag being "modified" to fall under manufactured pistol mags cannot be pinned at ten. The status to the mags here now is pointless to anybody who dosen't have them. So far for now if you want a 10/30 in your 9mm AR it has to be one with a lone wolf lower so you can get Glock mags or the little ones. Just like the 5.56's. If anybody can prove me wrong then go to it. I will take 10 of those mags for my 9mm but not at $100 apiece.
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**Update**


So you know fellas, I forwarded the RCMP response Scott from Questar had posted on their site, as well as direct quotations from the CFA etc....

I have not got a response from Magpul, as of yet anyhow, however Toy Industries gave a reply it reads:

"Hello,
Thank you for your idea and I will be sure to pass this onto one of our engineers. This is what will help our company grow and meet the standards of people’s needs. Thank you for using our products and trusting our company. Happy holidays!

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Jeff Morgan
Troy Industries, Inc"


I'll keep on em, and if anymore comes I'll update. FINGERS CROSSED HERE!!! :)

Shawn
 
heckler said:
I was the guy working on an extension base for the Lar mags. I recieved a ton of interest in them and sent a few out to some members here for testing. I asked in return for some feedback on functionallity,design,feel and sturdyness....I got what I was after.

My "day job" has been extremely busy this year but some progress and a new design is soon to be unveiled. Many of the people that contacted me have been very patient as I expect that mid to end of Feb. the new version will be avail. in small #'s

I have been working and researching different blends of poly/plastic for this item. You wouldn't believe how many variations there are in the poly world. This is unfortunatly a slow process as molds are expensive to make and require an astronomical amount of detail work to make them perfect. The ones I had made functioned OK to good by all reviews.......But I'm still not happy with the finnish or satisfied with the durabillity yet.

As most of you can appreciate,I would like to get them perfect as possible before releasing them en'mass. I do not want to take anybody's money for a product untill I'm satisfied myself.

Production will be slow as I am at present a one man show in this endeavor. I would again like to send the new version to the same group of people to try and get their feedback again. Mass production at this time is just not an option. If this turns out to be a sucess then I will again investigate the possibility of contracting a manufacturing company to mass produce.
In summary if all goes well I will unveil them in the near future(by Feb/Mar.) Thanks to all who have gave input and fedback to this point(you know who you are). And further thanks to those patiently waiting.
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heckler said:
Sorry, I at this time would like to keep the final design under wraps. I have the next 3 weeks off so I will surely make some progress in that time and share some pics of the first castings of this new version. Bear with me folks and thanks for your patience
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Did any updates ever come up?
 
Still in the works.
I have decided that I needed a manufacturers help. I have had a couple meetings/negotiations to this point. What I can tell you is this is going to be a costly project to pursue....Nearly $20,000. worth just to start production of a 10000pc. production run. That does not include the per piece material and run cost.

I at this point am still in a fundraising mode to persue. Assumeing there were 1000 AR owners that had 10 Lar mags the return would happen relatively quick. However investing this amt. of cash is not an easy undertaking(at least not for me).

I still have some serious considerations of produceing out of a home based bussiness model there by retaining control and easing the cost of start-up.
 
Good to hear its still moving along! I know your keeping everything under your hat, but if its anything along the lines of a pmag condom that would bulge at the top to cover a LAR mag then taper down so it would still fit propper into a pouch... Dam your gonna be hopping to keep up with demand.

Hell I don't even have my AR yet and I want 10 (at least)
 
I would love to share the developments so far but I am pretty sure you can understand the ramifications of doing so. This could potentially be a life altering investment and worthy of exercised caution.

I have already experienced the theft of intelectual property once.
 
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