Today, a new shooter showed up at skeet with an AR style shotgun. The new shooter was lacking in skill, and never broke a single target, but the shotgun itself, made it very tough for him. One of our best shooters set up an ammunition box and aimed at it at 25 yards, and was around 1-1/2' low. The handle was removeable, but the front sight post was not, so the shooter was stuck trying to look over the handle at the target, and it wasn't working. Looking at the shotgun, none of us could come up with an application for it, it was terrible for wingshooting, and there wasn't enough sight adjustment , to use it for stationary targets , so it was pretty much useless.
AR Style Shotgun For Skeet
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I have shot skeet with similar shotguns, its doable, but all those sights block a lot of vision. They are not designed for moving targets. They are for stationary targets. More of a IPSC shotgun or 3 gun shotgun then a clays gun.
In my personal opinion they are more of a novelty shotgun then anything. Even for ipsc and 3 gun i would rather run something like a versamax. But to each their own.
In my personal opinion they are more of a novelty shotgun then anything. Even for ipsc and 3 gun i would rather run something like a versamax. But to each their own.
Falconflyer
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It was good for the new shooter to see just how far off POA the gun was shooting.
There is no possible way to adjust the point of impact to match the point of aim at 25 yards. As it is, even stationary targets would be an issue.
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The issue is the hand grip and raised front sight post, you can't look along the barrel, at the target.
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By the time it's high enough to see over the handle to look down along the end of the barrel the muzzle should be at about a 30-45 degree upward angle.
Butcherbill
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They’re meant for slugs and buckshot not clays as the owner just found out.
mmcintyre1220
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funny enough, I ran my first 100 straight in 12 & 20 before looking into POI/POA changes which I had to make in 28& 410.
mmcintyre1220
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yep. I would rather buy a Chinese made Norinco shotgun rather than anything in turkey.
Butcherbill
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Can’t really argue with that lol.
I get it, but you stated that there is no possible way to adjust the POI to match POA.
What I wrote is correct, you raise the rear sight until you get the POI/POA to match.
Rear sight in this instance being the eye.
And if we're practising ideal shooting fundamentals... we're not looking at the sights/barrel anyway so as long as the front sight is in the right spot in your peripheral vision, while you focus on the clay, with a trial run or two someone can absolutely be able to shoot skeet successfully.
Vincent Hancock has stated that his POA/POI is such that he floats the bird a foot or two above his barrels.
Kim Rhodes began skeet shooting with her trap gun.
anything is possible.
When they shoot 1-1/2' low at 25 yards, they aren't much good for slugs or buckshot.
never had that problem myself.... While I prefer clays with a traditional shotgun, I had no trouble with an AR style semi, keltec ks7, or 14" benelli.... granted with the cylinder bore 14" benelli you had to get them quick... as your ability to reach out was pretty well non existent.
I would rather a gun shoot high than shoot low. Floating the bird at least allows you to see the bird, but with the gun shooting 1-1/2' low, you would have to hold the muzzle way above the bird, which means that you wouldn't see the bird, because of the barrel.
Butcherbill
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Ever notice how poa/poi changes with ammo brands, it also changes between birdshot, buck and slugs or with different chokes. Ar style shotguns generally have a pic rail on top of the receiver so it’s easy to mount a red dot or adjustable front/rear sights if it’s a full length rail, easy to adjust poa/poi most of the time.
I’ve noticed that lop will affect your poi with a shorter barrel as well, set it up for what it was designed for and you generally will find they shoot properly. There’s always a chance it’s a piece of garbage though, kinda the risk you take buying a Turkish shotgun.
Huge fan of red dots for clays. Focus on the target dynamics improve situational awareness making transitioning to other rapid clays is vastly better then looking down a bead. Additionally knowing holds using slugs on a red dot is also significantly improved. Holding wild 6 o clock vs a known drop red dot, adjustable zeros...etc , just no contest.
If by AR style, the op means a pistol grip and mag fed, I'll suggest thats erroneous since matches like 3gun are better served with those because tube fed 3.5 shotguns tuned for 3gun are much harder to find vs a janky but functional mag/pistol grip shotty which are currently far cheaper to get into. If 3.5 inch 5.9 rounds semi tubes with tuned beveled ports found for less then 1k, maybe argument will hold more weight. Finding good new over unders are also too expensive for new comers. I think the key element is the price of admission shouldn't be so high to prevent more people from coming out.
2 cents.
If by AR style, the op means a pistol grip and mag fed, I'll suggest thats erroneous since matches like 3gun are better served with those because tube fed 3.5 shotguns tuned for 3gun are much harder to find vs a janky but functional mag/pistol grip shotty which are currently far cheaper to get into. If 3.5 inch 5.9 rounds semi tubes with tuned beveled ports found for less then 1k, maybe argument will hold more weight. Finding good new over unders are also too expensive for new comers. I think the key element is the price of admission shouldn't be so high to prevent more people from coming out.
2 cents.
