AR10 for hunting

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Ninja_En_Short

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Hi guys,

I decided to get myself an AR10 type for hunting (don't like the M14 types) and now that we have two options between the BCL102 and the Stag10, I wondered what you people think is the better option between these two ?

As I said it's for hunting and I don't intend to do two much mod but eventually I would probably want to build another upper in 6.5 Creedmoor for a bit of longer range and put a thrid party trigger.

Thanks,
Ninja
 
onetwentyish said:
I would say Stag 10 for out of the box performance, but for a ground up build the BCL102 lower with ambi controls is supperior in my opinion.
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Yeah lets not talk about the $800 price tag on the stripped receiver set without lower parts kit, trigger, grip, not being anodized with 6061 aluminum and riddled with machining marks.
 
onetwentyish said:
I would say Stag 10 for out of the box performance, but for a ground up build the BCL102 lower with ambi controls is supperior in my opinion.
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There is nothing superior about a bcl102. The stag is better in very single way. Price, quality, fit, dpms parts, the only reason the bcl got traction is they were the only game for awhile. Once the stags are mainstream the bcls will disappear.
 
The devil is always in the details, so you may wish to be more specific about what you wish to hunt and where.
Lighter tends to always be better unless you are hunting within 20 meters of the parking lot :)

The key is to be as realistic as possible with what you really will be doing with the rifle. I also own an RA XCR-L.
The heavy barrel is excellent for the range, but I don't want to be carrying that pig over two of our West Coast Mt ranges or forgeing any deep and fast rivers.

There is also a current choice between .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor.
If you know what you need then you can build a solid shooting riles with either brand.
I happen to own a BCL (Gen 2) 102 in .308 and it shoots very well, and it is well made and the Burnt Bronze finish is nicely done.
I used to live in the US and Stag AR-10 are the Chevy of the AR-10 world. No bad at all, but not great either.

There are some good threads and posts on the BCL Builds that have yielded excellent results, and I know doubt we will soon see similar posts on Stag builds.

My experience is that if you take the time to sharpen your requirements, the answers and the options become more clear.
 
I believe he is addicted to the Ambi bolt release. But other than that the BCL literally has nothing going for it. In my opinion Ambi bolt releases basically do nothing if you follow a correct manual of arms, some left handed people may argue that.

No one in their right mind should buy a BCL now that the Stags are available


YoungestPiperCub said:
There is nothing superior about a bcl102. The stag is better in very single way. Price, quality, fit, dpms parts, the only reason the bcl got traction is they were the only game for awhile. Once the stags are mainstream the bcls will disappear.
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a factory Stag 10 rifle, purchased thru the Authorized Canadian dealer , carries an exceptionally rock solid warranty. That warranty applies to canadian rifles built by stag arms.
Stag Arms has a very solid reputation in the industry and has supported Canadian shooters with quality firearms for many years.

the other company, uses canadian shooters to do thier R&D for them and had to release more than one "version" of thier rifle's receiver set to compensate for the results of that customer performed R&D. Ya, no thanx.
 
Hutchy said:
Yeah lets not talk about the $800 price tag on the stripped receiver set without lower parts kit, trigger, grip, not being anodized with 6061 aluminum and riddled with machining marks.
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YoungestPiperCub said:
There is nothing superior about a bcl102. The stag is better in very single way. Price, quality, fit, dpms parts, the only reason the bcl got traction is they were the only game for awhile. Once the stags are mainstream the bcls will disappear.
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mileageman said:
I believe he is addicted to the Ambi bolt release. But other than that the BCL literally has nothing going for it. In my opinion Ambi bolt releases basically do nothing if you follow a correct manual of arms, some left handed people may argue that.

No one in their right mind should buy a BCL now that the Stags are available
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I am often a money is no object kind of guy who likes to make rifles the best they can be, I dont mind starting out with a lesser product, then spending more fixing and upgrading if it means in the end I have a better rifle.

I cant add a integrated ambi release to a stag set very easily but I can start with a BCL set, swap the upper and have atrs clean up and anodize for not a whole lot. A couple hundred extra on a $5k build is minimal.

Ambi bolt releases are not for everyone, but I used mine with my index finger on my MV and MH all the time. I find it to be extremly ergonomic, and enjoy it on the ACR, XCR, and APC. I agree its not needed, and for the money it may not be worth it to most, but I am not most.
 
I'll never buy anything from a business that has such a horrid reputation for unreliable junk that it has to change its business name.
 
FoxAlpha said:
I'll never buy anything from a business that has such a horrid reputation for unreliable junk that it has to change its business name.
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^^^ I don't want to change the topic here, but I couldn't agree more with the statement above. I wouldn't take one for free. A Stag on the other hand, I would pay top dollar.
 
Just curious but why hunt with an AR10?

For close to the same price you can pick up a Sako Finlight II and not have any issues with the police and future regulations.
Very light, and very solid reputation for being very accurate, and you can get it any almost any calibre you like, including 30.06 and 7mm mag.
The resale is also very solid on this rifle, so if for whatever reason you want or need to sell it, you should get almost all of your money back.

 
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RAConnol said:
Just curious but why hunt with an AR10?

For close to the same price you can pick up a Sako Finlight II and not have any issues with the police and future regulations.
Very light, and very solid reputation for being very accurate, and you can get it any almost any calibre you like, including 30.06 and 7mm mag.
The resale is also very solid on this rifle, so if for whatever reason you want or need to sell it, you should get almost all of your money back.

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Because BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Jaguar, Lada, Toyota, Tesla, Acura, Ford, Chevy are all choices linked to preference, budget, style... or any permutation of same. :)


Same applies to what is used for hunting.

@OP - Im not sure how good of a platform any AR10/ AR308 gun is... They are heavy. If you have lots of walking to do on your hunts, you will notice. I have a ATRS MH in one of the lightest setups possible... Only went hunting with it one time before getting a MV on the basis of weight. Will eventually convert it to 6.5G...
 
RAConnol said:
Just curious but why hunt with an AR10?

For close to the same price you can pick up a Sako Finlight II and not have any issues with the police and future regulations.
Very light, and very solid reputation for being very accurate, and you can get it any almost any calibre you like, including 30.06 and 7mm mag.
The resale is also very solid on this rifle, so if for whatever reason you want or need to sell it, you should get almost all of your money back.

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Well my friend, I hunt more than most and yes, for some hunts my bolt action rifles have served me very well and I would not substitute them for the hunts I use them for. They are the perfect tools for those hunts. However.... over the years as a hunter I have had a few close calls with predators at extremely close ranges... feet not meters. I've had to engage said predators with my firearm on more than one occasion and am still here to tell the tale.
It was a few short years ago, solo hunting a spot I have hunted for many years now deep in the mountains above pemberton/whistler BC. I was fortunate that though I solo hunt there 90% of the time, I broke my rule and took a friend in to my spot. A pack of over a dozen wolves came in on me that day , a first for me and let me tell you, it was fackin terrifying. I emptied my rifle as the wolves charged me from 50 meters out. My last shot at the wolf passing me on the left, 3 feet away from my muzzle. My friend , off to my right about 15 yards, also shooting at the wolves rushing me and emptied his rifle, also a bolt gun. As we emptied are firearms I yelled to my friend to come to me and we stood there frantically reloading our rifles, shellshocked at what had just went down. We grabbed our packs and bolted , making a balls sweating hike back out to the safety of the truck.
That was 4 or 5 years ago now? Since then I have put in a treestand to get off the ground LOL but predators are becoming abundant and year before last in the same spot, before treestand, a family of bears came in on me and got aggressive and it was another balls sweating hike back out to the truck as I retreated with those bears fanning out and following....

So I went and bought me a Stag-10. Being a modern firearm , it aims better, it shoulders better , it controls better than a simple bolt action rifle. It's semi auto action allows for fast follow up shots to efficiently end an animals life, be it a predator or the game I'm hoping to put on my table. And if I need it to save my life and need to face a pack of charging wolves again.... 5 rounds down range and a quick magazine change and I'm back in action. Fumbling with a bolt action rifle while trying to defend your life is not something I hope you have to experience.

The semi auto gets painted with this stupid bad brush when really, it is the modernization of a tool used for self defense and hunting, as well as target and sports shooting and that is it.
The term assault rifle is just stupid really as canadians don't own "assault rifles" , they own semi automatic firearms , modern ones , and that's it.

The other reason I want an AR-10 style hunting rifle is also due to it's "modern design" in that one can change calibers extremely easy for different hunting applications. Not many bolt action firearms out there that can easily perform that task.
 
M16LR.50 said:
Because BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Jaguar, Lada, Toyota, Tesla, Acura, Ford, Chevy are all choices linked to preference, budget, style... or any permutation of same. :)


Same applies to what is used for hunting.

@OP - Im not sure how good of a platform any AR10/ AR308 gun is... They are heavy. If you have lots of walking to do on your hunts, you will notice. I have a ATRS MH in one of the lightest setups possible... Only went hunting with it one time before getting a MV on the basis of weight. Will eventually convert it to 6.5G...
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Meh...i used to go hunting with a Ljungman. You can get used to the weight
 
45ACPKING said:
I've had to engage said predators with my firearm on more than one occasion and am still here to tell the tale....
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I will be very interested in your selection of optics for the Stag 10.
I am assuming you are having interesting problems to address. A solid optic for 200 yrs or more and a rock solid and potentially life-saving optic for close in work.

In addition to the BCL 102, I have an RA XCR L (5.56) and Tavor 21 in the same calibre.

On the XCR I have mounted a Burris FastFireII red dot onto a Burris E1 3-9x40 with Burris PEPPR QD mount.
Nice setup. Works reasonably well, but I am not sure I would want to bet my life with this setup.

The Tavor 21 has a Vortex Spitfire 3X Prism optic. This would likely be my goto setup for in encountering wolfs in close quarters.
The Tavor is just a rock-solid performer, never misses a beat, regardless of how dirty or hot it gets.

I can look over the Spitfire for really close in work and send effective rounds down range, and the optic tracks true and fast for mid-range work.
The 21 is limited game hunting due to the size of the 5.56. However, the Tavor 7, should it arrive in Canada and remain unrestricted would a rifle I would give careful consideration to.
Edit: I forgot to mention I installed the Geiselle Lightning trigger bow in the Tavor. Great upgrade that I highly recommend for any rapid fire requirements.

I do have a trust issue with direct impingement rifles though. I keep my BCL wet and clean, and it works really well as such.
However, just the design of the direct impingement and "crapping where you eat" always had me wondering if the entire design team was from Berkley and on acid when this was developed.
Sig just won a major US contract for their MCX (gas piston) suppressed systems. I have noted over the years that the special forces teams often opted out of the direct impingement options in favour for gas piston rifles.


I do ask tons of questions, and as such, I have learned and continue to learn a great deal from the member here.
So I am not judging just engaging in what I hope is productive dialogue, however, if my arse were on the line, a direct impingement rifle would not be one of my choices.

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This is a good thread.
Okay, first I gotta explain what I will use my stag-10 for and the caliber options for my uppers. First, the rifle will be used at times by my wife who has a much easier time handling recoil with a pistol gripped firearm. Her shooting stance and the way she is comfortable holding a firearm , and more importantly, the design that allows her to achieve repeatable accuracy , is the pistol gripped, adjustable stocked type firearms. So there is that reason. For her, I am going to build an upper in 7mm-08 for deer and it will wear a Nikon Monarch 3 , 2-8 x 32 , 19 inch barrel, back up flip sites. Will be for treestand and out in the field. 300 yards and under is what this rifle is being built for.
The other upper, for now will be .308 , 18.75" barrel but will be swapped out for a 19" .338 federal barrel as soon as I manage to source one.
Now this upper will only be used for ambush deer hunting from ground spot or treestand and as a "calling" rifle for Elk and Moose. To me , a calling rifle needs to excell inside 100 yards and have drop down power at 10 feet hehehe Calling in moose or elk from a stationary position for hours... days at a time can bring predators in as well. So again, I chose a modern design for its fast handling ergonomics and an action that allows me to stay on the sights while the rifle chambers another round (semi auto). Drop free magazine allows for fast magazine changes in the event a dangerous situation warrants more ammo.
for optics on the calling rifle I want to go with a Leupold tactical prismatic 1x14 and 45 degree flip up iron sights. I have not fully decided on the optic yet but again, my parameters would need it to excell from physical point blank to 100 yards and still give me a clear target image at 300.

btw.... the stag-10 will be replacing my 100+ year old lee enfield no1 Shtle as up until now it has been my favorite and extremely reliable calling rifle. I've also used an m14 type a few times and taken a lot of game with both but try as I might, getting a .338federal M14/M1A barrel has been an adventure in chasing rainbow unicorns.... so hopefully that adventure doesn't repeat itself as I quest for an AR-10 .338 fed barrel. Maple Ridge armory said they could do it..... just waiting to hear back from them that they want my money hehehe
 
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