AR10 Or Alike 7.62 Black Rifle

[Zeroed-In]

Finally came in the mail today. POF P308.

Wow have to say that is one sweet looking AR and I especially like the fluted barrel and flash hider. If it shoots half as good as it looks you'll have one very accurate AR. Please give us a range report with pic.'s if possible.

 

[ntm]

If it shoots half as good as it looks you'll have one very accurate AR.

Piston gun.
The armalite's, mws's, kac's, gap's etc. typically are more consistently accurate than the pof.

 

[joe.danay]

LaRue Tactical OBR

 

[09outlander]

Wow have to say that is one sweet looking AR and I especially like the fluted barrel and flash hider. If it shoots half as good as it looks you'll have one very accurate AR. Please give us a range report with pic.'s if possible.

Hope to get it out in a week or 2, just trying to wrap my head around what scope to purchase for it, any suggestions?

 

[fireball]

Nightforce, I have a 3.5-15x50 on my SASS AR10

I've tried Eotech, Aimpoint, Elcan and Trijicon. I honestly prefer a scope or irons over red dots or fixed mag optics.

 

[Mark Mags]

As someone asked in another thread, has anyone had any experience/knowledge of Ruger's SR-7.62?

 

[Zeroed-In]

Hope to get it out in a week or 2, just trying to wrap my head around what scope to purchase for it, any suggestions?

I am by no means an expert or even owned any high end optics, but for my Armalite AR10 (which I haven't bought yet) I will be going with a 1.5x-6x Elcan. All I've researched leads me to believe the Elcan to be extremely durable and the glass is of very good clarity/quality. Saying that, 6x isn't a lot if you plan on shooting at the extremes of the .308 round. If I were to go with a traditional scope Nightforce would be at the top of my list, but that's like someone asking to buy a sports car and recommending a Ferrari.

 

[09outlander]

Nightforce would be nice, but pricey, yeah yeah I know, I spent 3k on a rifle I should spend a decent amount on a scope. I'm hoping to stay under $8-900 for a scope and I already know what mount I want.

 

[Speckfire]

Looking good 09outlander... I'll post pics of my Sig 716 when I get it.

 

[ntm]

As someone asked in another thread, has anyone had any experience/knowledge of Ruger's SR-7.62?

It's more or less the same deal as the ruger 556.
Good build quality, accuracy is decent, front heavy, and runs hot where you put your support hand.
Pretty much the same as any of the other piston "patrol" style carbines, accuracy is secondary to the perceived reliability provided by a piston gun.
When I'm paying for 308, and shooting the longer ranges that make 308 shine vs 223, accuracy is my primary concern. Secondary concern is weight.
That makes pretty much every 308 piston ar a non starter for me personally.

 

[mikethebike]

FNAR is the best choice for your purpose... JP.

I agree

 

[Zeroed-In]

Nightforce would be nice, but pricey, yeah yeah I know, I spent 3k on a rifle I should spend a decent amount on a scope. I'm hoping to stay under $8-900 for a scope and I already know what mount I want.

How about the Vortex brand, a friend of mine purchased one for his wife's Tikka Lite in .243 and was very surprised as to how well it compared to his significantly more expensive Leupold scopes. Wolverine has a few for under a grand with plenty of magnification that may be worth looking at.

 

[09outlander]

How about the Vortex brand, a friend of mine purchased one for his wife's Tikka Lite in .243 and was very surprised as to how well it compared to his significantly more expensive Leupold scopes. Wolverine has a few for under a grand with plenty of magnification that may be worth looking at.

I was actually just looking at those, the Viper PST 4-16x50, seem to get good reviews and good customer service from Vortex.

 

[AROD89]

I was actually just looking at those, the Viper PST 4-16x50, seem to get good reviews and good customer service from Vortex.

yup ! this is what I have been eyeing up myself - I am really impressed with the customer feed back, especially towards the no frills warranty on all of their products.

Compared very closely to the Leo Mark 4 less a feature or two. oh, and half the price !

I was looking at the 2.5-10 though .. I want to be able to throw a few within 100 yards. however the 4-16 is oh so tempting for the 300+

 

[AROD89]

Currently have a dilema - on the fence about whether the SS barrel is justified or my needs. Also, trying to determine if 10 or 11.25 is my better twist rate.

I have narrowed down to two options ( I hope )
#1 @ $2100

ArmaLite AR-10T 7.62 Nato 20" Stainless Barrel Black

Model: AR-10(T) with Free Float Handguard in Black
Caliber: 7.62X51
Rifling Twist: RH 1:10" 150-175 Grain Ammo
Muzzle Device: None
Front Sight Base: Picatinny Rail Gas Block. Top of gas block is .398 (+/- .010) lower than top of receiver
Upper Receiver: Forged Flat Top Receiver with Picatinny Rail and Forward Assist 7175-T74 Aluminum
Lower Receiver: 7175-t73 Aluminum (forged)
Trigger: National Match two stage - 1st stage 2.5 lbs - 2nd stage 4.5-5 lbs
Accuracy: 1 MOA


# 2 @ $1700

ArmaLite AR-10A4 SPR 7.62 Nato 20" Black

Barrel: 20" Double Lapped, Chrome Lined, Threaded 5/8x24, 4140 Steel
Rifling Twist: RH 1:11.25" 150-175 Grain Ammo
Front Sight Base: Picatinny Rail Gas Block. Top of gas block is .398 (+/- .010) lower than top of receiver
Upper Receiver: Forged Flat Top Receiver with Picatinny Rail and Forward Assist 7175-T74 Aluminum
Lower Receiver: 7175-t73 Aluminum (forged)
Trigger: Tactical Two Stage, 1st Stage 3.5 lbs - 2nd Stage Approximately 5-6 lbs.
Stock: Black Fixed A2
Finish: Anodized Aluminum Upper/Lower Receiver, Manganese Phosphated Steel Barrel
Accuracy: 1.5 - 2 MOA

 

[Epoxy7]

I'd go with #1. But if looking for more of a carbine use I'd wait to see how the DPMS GII Recon checks out.

Number 1 choice will give you .5-.75 moa with the right ammo. Definately sub 1 moa. #2 is looking around 1 MOA as a best case very lucky scenario.

Also note that only the really new AR10A models use Pmags. I don't think there are any in Canada yet. They are exceptionally rare right now in the US.

 

[mikethebike]

Aren't those restricted?

 

[AROD89]

I'd go with #1. But if looking for more of a carbine use I'd wait to see how the DPMS GII Recon checks out.

Number 1 choice will give you .5-.75 moa with the right ammo. Definately sub 1 moa. #2 is looking around 1 MOA as a best case very lucky scenario.

Also note that only the really new AR10A models use Pmags. I don't think there are any in Canada yet. They are exceptionally rare right now in the US.

I too was leaning towards #1 - the only thing holding me back was if I "needed" the SS barrel. I do believe that 20" if better suited for my needs as I will be doing mostly bench shooting at further ranges. I will use my Ar15's in the CQB type shooting areas.

However I definitely misread your bit on mags in your first post below :

Mags. The system that accepts Pmags has won. This has been known for a few years now. Although it's frequently known as the SR25 or DPMS mag system it's actually the original AR10 mag. Armalite while not the same company as then did buy the name etc. So technically it is the Armalite mag. But for the current AR10 they went to modified M14 mags to avoid issues of the Assault weapon ban in the US. I'm in the minority as I'm not a Pmag fan. They're ok. But I prefera mag I know will work in all my rifles using that system. With the AR15 ones you might need different gens for the different rifle systems. I use D&H. Works in AR15, Tavor, Type97 etc without worry.

Definitely missed the underlined part. So you are saying that with the Armalite I will be stuck with their proprietary mag system? I see they are about $65 from a CGN supplier. However I do not like the idea of not having a universal mag… Hmm May have to put some more thought into the DPMS gen II. Any word of a 20" or are they carbine only ?

Aren't those restricted?

Thread took a turn after I got inpatient and bought a Ruger Scout to fix that itch . . Now back to an open class .308 for some fun !

 

[Epoxy7]

I too was leaning towards #1 - the only thing holding me back was if I "needed" the SS barrel. I do believe that 20" if better suited for my needs as I will be doing mostly bench shooting at further ranges. I will use my Ar15's in the CQB type shooting areas.

However I definitely misread your bit on mags in your first post below :



Definitely missed the underlined part. So you are saying that with the Armalite I will be stuck with their proprietary mag system? I see they are about $65 from a CGN supplier. However I do not like the idea of not having a universal mag… Hmm May have to put some more thought into the DPMS gen II. Any word of a 20" or are they carbine only ?





Thread took a turn after I got inpatient and bought a Ruger Scout to fix that itch . . Now back to an open class .308 for some fun !

If you're doing bench shooting then the SS barrel is the easy choice. Especially for longer distances. What's more fun? Shooting bigger groups or very small groups? Which gives better feadback to whether it's you or the ammo/setup etc? It's an easy choice.

Yes the currently available AR10B uses modified M14 mags. They were $50 a mag but I guess with our dollar diving the price went up. Expect that with all mags. The just releases AR10A uses the original mag design so is compatible with Pmags. I would get on a list with Wolverine if that's the one you want.

For scopes many like Vortex. I think they are OK but not a great bargain. Sort of the Bushnell elite of 7 years ago. Good glass, decent scope but some compromises and expensive enough that it's easy for me to justify going the next level up.

I like Zeiss Conquest with RapidZ reticle, plan on trying some Sightron SIII for target rifles and have a couple Night Force. Burris FullfieldII or the newest E1 version are my lower no thrills good scope low cost option. There are trade offs but these options are solid performers.

 

[Zeroed-In]

I will be purchasing an Armalite AR10 when my funds are squared away and would prefer it to be able to use the 10Rd. pistol mag.'s (available via the XCR .308 pistol). I'll be wanting the 16" SS barrel with a 1 in 10 twist (if it's still available after Armalite finishes updating what it sells) and a match trigger, I believe the 16" SS barrel will give similar accuracy as the 20" SS barrel while offering lighter weight and better CQB ability.

Arod I'm going with the 1 in 10 twist because I believe it will perform best overall, (perhaps Epoxy could chime in as to the pros and cons of the different barrel twists) having a match grade trigger will also be a big bonus and is something I feel is worth a few extra dollars.

If I'm understanding what Epoxy is saying then AR10 A rifles are Pmag compatibly which equals XCR .308 pistol mag compatibility, but are hard to come by right now (Wolverine estimates three months). For me personally the ability to run 10Rd. mag.'s is a huge bonus and one I would regret not having, so that makes the A or B rifle version an easy choice.

Arod if you are like me and want to be able to use AR10 .308 10Rd, legal mag.'s then take a look at Armalites website and checkout their model A10TBNF same as Wolverine's AR10T (I believe) for a rifle that suits your needs, should be Pmag (and 10Rd. capacity legal) capable and I'd expect even Epoxy would say it should be very accurate right out of the box...

On another note, I personally do not believe the lighter steel barrels will hold up well to maintaining decent accuracy during sustained fire if that's important to you. Saying that I wouldn't be disappointed to own an Armalite AR10 .308 Carbine with a 16" steel crome-lined barrel...