AR15 lower with just a tabletop mill!

As I mentioned in my Aluminum AR180B page, if some one were to make these individual parts, minus all the holes, and sell them, it would be neato. To my knowledge, no single part would be a receiver by any stretch.

You just drill the holes, tap where needed, and then assemble. Instant receiver.
 
I am not going to get into the possibility of 10 guys with access to mills make groups of parts and redistribute them to the other guys for their own assembly. ;) in Canada, is there a certain percentage of work which must be done by the builder himself?

Josh
StormWerkz
 
Josh, we can do the 80% reciever thing here. What is a firearm and when it becomes a firearm is still any ones guess. I've heard it been said that it is a gun when the intent is to make it a firearm. By that logic, a block of a aluminum is a firearm.

Didn't some one drill a hole in a block of aluminum and try to register it as an AR15 lower?
 
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You folks are talking about the KT Ordnance KT-15-B ... four separate parts, which require only drilling and tapping - can be completed on a drill press. The parts are considered an "80%" ... or maybe less, firearm, so there are no restrictions on its sale. KT Ordnance has advised me that they do ship these products to Canada. As per board rules, I'll not hotlink to their site, but if you can't find it yourself, you're too dumb to own, let alone make, an AR anyway. Expect to pay $175 USD for the parts and an instructional DVD. The manufacturer also sells all the necessary drill bits and taps to complete the frame.

While we're on the subject, here's another guy's project you folks might find interesting (posted on a forum you folks might find VERY interesting):

http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=3;t=13269

Remember, while it is legal to build a gun for yourself, provided you are legally permitted to own a gun of that type, all applicable laws must still be followed. Your intent to build it will have to be stated in advance to the powers that be, and it will have to be verified and registered upon completion. A lack of discretion in this activity could lead to us losing the legal right to the means to complete these sorts of projects. Be good, people!
 
Suputin said:
The more interesting question is when does it not become a firearm? If you build it and then disassemble it, which part IS the firearm? The law says the receiver but if the receiver is made of a bunch of flat plates with holes drilled in them, which bit is the receiver?
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Oooh, we could make some brains explode at the CFC :D
 
The law says the receiver but if the receiver is made of a bunch of flat plates with holes drilled in them, which bit is the receiver?
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Isn't the right side plate of an M1919 the reciever or something?

Could be interesting. That sheet metal AR15 lower just poisoned my brain. screw the billet AR180B lower.
 
Is there any of these things already registered in Canada ? Which specific part did they determine constitute the firearm ? Oh, and just to play with them once they determine that, import another one of those kits, cut it up in say, 50 or 60 pieces (by cutting it up horizontally, like plywood, for example)put it together (no welding, just nuts and bolts so this thing stays individual parts), and repeat the registration/FRT/verification process, now they not only have to figure out which "part" is the firearm, they also have to figure out which "layer" of which part is the "firearm". While I have a real feeling that they would simply hold it indefinitely "waiting for a determination to be made", screwing with them certainly would be well worth the 200 some odd dollars a pop this thing costs, especially if you put a couple of guys together to spread the cost (remember the goal is to have fun with the RCMP forensics guys, not really to assemble anything that works) ...
 
I'll stick with 80% recivers. And as soon as I get some cash for a 80% and a jig, I'll just may stard an AR15 of my own.
 
Origonally Posted by RobSmith Is there any of these things already registered in Canada ? Which specific part did they determine constitute the firearm ? Oh, and just to play with them once they determine that, import another one of those kits, cut it up in say, 50 or 60 pieces (by cutting it up horizontally, like plywood, for example)put it together (no welding, just nuts and bolts so this thing stays individual parts), and repeat the registration/FRT/verification process, now they not only have to figure out which "part" is the firearm, they also have to figure out which "layer" of which part is the "firearm". While I have a real feeling that they would simply hold it indefinitely "waiting for a determination to be made", screwing with them certainly would be well worth the 200 some odd dollars a pop this thing costs, especially if you put a couple of guys together to spread the cost (remember the goal is to have fun with the RCMP forensics guys, not really to assemble anything that works)
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I can't see this ending up to our advantage. Confuse the folks at the CFC too much and they will do something stupid, like decide every part of an AR15 is the firearm or just prohib the whole thing alltogether.

Dave
 
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