If things are so ####ed you can't throw a small amount of oil in your gun every thousand rounds, you have way bigger problems than your choice of rifle.
AR15 reliability
- Thread starter Denka
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Avalonthas
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I ran my AR15 dry (due to being new and lacking experience at the time) for the first 3000 rounds and didn't have an issue. Still haven't had a single stoppage or failure and I am at around 6000-7000 rounds.
And mine is a cheap norinco....not even a decently build AR15. It wouldn't be in use by the worlds top military's and battle tested if it was garbage
And mine is a cheap norinco....not even a decently build AR15. It wouldn't be in use by the worlds top military's and battle tested if it was garbage
Davy Crockett
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Denka, I still don't see that you've said what kind of AR you are running.
Is it a factory built gun?
I'm no expert but the AR's I've owned have all run like champs without a ton of lube. If anything I keep mine fairly dry.
Is it a factory built gun?
I'm no expert but the AR's I've owned have all run like champs without a ton of lube. If anything I keep mine fairly dry.
Hey all, with all newbie experience with AR15, I have question to the pros. I have CZ 858 and without lubing, I was able to shoot hundreds rounds. However, with AR15 and I wanted to see, I did little of lubing and encountered jamming several times or I could shoot one shot and then reload. After taking apart bolt carrier and cleaning and lubing like crazy, everything went smooth. So, my question.
With all this AR15 craziness/support/love, how can you rely on a rifle that without lubing, will cause issues? So, let's say as an example only, war or zombie attack
what kind of jam? strawberry or raspberry?
my bone dry norinco ar CONSTANTLY shoots over 500+ rounds between cleanings, wich I did for about 5k rounds, with no FTF, FTE ect or problems of any kind, except for two light primer hits in the first 10 rounds i fired (was some gunk on the pin ihad to clean off). Now thats its broke in, I put a small amount of lube in the proper places, still functions like a dream. its not being babyd either, and gets uses outdoors, ect..
you say "everythings fine" but you must be missing something cause my cheapo norq ar has performed way above any expectations I had of the platform.
you say "everythings fine" but you must be missing something cause my cheapo norq ar has performed way above any expectations I had of the platform.
heck now that i think of it, it will also cycle 1000+ plus rounds of .22 between cleanings with no issues either, and iM snapping hte trigger as fast as it will go with the conversion kit... and its super dirty with the .22 conversion, so really, you either have an anomolous ar or your missing something.
Ok I have to touch on this, as I keep hearing it
I have fixed 1000s of 1000s of C7 and C8s, I have never ever seen a clogged gas tube "you will burn your barrel out long before your gas tube" The gas problem always comes down to worn out gas rings.
P.S. I to trust the AR platform with my life and know it is still the best rifle in military service "but dont take my word for it, ask any good SOF unit what they use
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running a dry rifle does show how reliable they can be and thats great when s#!t hits the fan, but i dont see why you wouldnt lube ur ARs moving metal to metal parts. it help with maintaining the longevety of ur rifle and when you do clean it you dont need to soak it in cleaner to soften up the carbon that builds up in it( prodominatly from blank training rounds =D) but still.
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Ok I have to touch on this, as I keep hearing it
I have fixed 1000s of 1000s of C7 and C8s, I have never ever seen a clogged gas tube "you will burn your barrel out long before your gas tube" The gas problem always comes down to worn out gas rings.
P.S. I to trust the AR platform with my life and know it is still the best rifle in military service "but dont take my word for it, ask any good SOF unit what they use
I have never seen a plugged gas tube either. Thats not what I was referring to. Some gas tube problems to look for if a new rifle isn't cycling:
- Gas key screws poorly staked and they loosened up, allowing some gas to escape instead of doing it's job inside the bolt carrier.
- Gas ring gaps are aligned, gas rings missing or broken, allowing extra gas to flow past them.
- Gas block/front sight base is loose, allowing gas to escape before it even gets down the gas tube.
- Gas tube mushroom is severly worn, probably because it was not properly aligned with the gas key and gas is escaping there. Picture below of a worn out gas tube mushroom:
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I've had good luck with my ARs but keep them fairly clean and lightly lubed. None of mine have a high round count but expect them to keep running right as long as I clean them and keep them properly lubed as all guns should be.
I was issued M-16 and later M16A1 when I was in the service during the Vietnam era. Those always functioned well too even with the dirty powder that our ammo was loaded with back then. I also kept them clean and properly lubed. I did fire one range gun back then that the barrel heated up and threw the rounds off target. I had to come back and requalify but that just meant more trigger time for me.
I was issued M-16 and later M16A1 when I was in the service during the Vietnam era. Those always functioned well too even with the dirty powder that our ammo was loaded with back then. I also kept them clean and properly lubed. I did fire one range gun back then that the barrel heated up and threw the rounds off target. I had to come back and requalify but that just meant more trigger time for me.
yeah I pop a few 223 down it to clear the dirtier .22 stuff out the gas tube, you see a lot of whitish powder build up after a 555 pack of wally world .22 so
"cleaning" to me is wiping it down with a cloth, no fancy solvents, i dont do the barrel or anything. sometimes I apply a dab of lube to moving parts, but its not even once per 500,
but yeah, I have had 0 problems in almost about 2k 223 rounds, and 15k plus rounds of .22, and i barely clean the thing, let alone lube
Mine have worked fine. FINE.
This thread sucks.
-edit- I take care of my s**t. I clean at regular intervals, I inspect parts from time to time, and I take the 20 seconds to lube all the bearing surfaces of the bolt/carrier before firing, etc. I suggest you do the same, OP.
This thread sucks.
-edit- I take care of my s**t. I clean at regular intervals, I inspect parts from time to time, and I take the 20 seconds to lube all the bearing surfaces of the bolt/carrier before firing, etc. I suggest you do the same, OP.
