AR15 vs AK47

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Now reading this title you must be all thing. Not another AR vs AK thread. Well im hoping its bit different and would answer a question for me.

I was reading some articles on how the AK is the most produced rifle in the world. Then it got me thinking, with all the AR's made in the usa, canada, china and another wack load of countries making them there must be more AR's made everyday then AK's.

What do you guys think?
 
The AK47 got it's name because it was designed for 1947 and it is still in production of some kind today while the AR15 was brought out in 1958 so the AK has 11 years of production on it
 
hacer2 said:
Now reading this title you must be all thing. Not another AR vs AK thread. Well im hoping its bit different and would answer a question for me.

I was reading some articles on how the AK is the most produced rifle in the world. Then it got me thinking, with all the AR's made in the usa, canada, china and another wack load of countries making them there must be more AR's made everyday then AK's.

What do you guys think?
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With the exception of Canada (and Canada is barely a splash in the AR market), those countries all produce AK 47 variants as well. I think the AK still has the edge, but not by much. I expect that you would find more countries producing AK clones than you would AR clones.
 
Cavs42 said:
With the exception of Canada (and Canada is barely a splash in the AR market), those countries all produce AK 47 variants as well. I think the AK still has the edge, but not by much. I expect that you would find more countries producing AK clones than you would AR clones.
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Cant be by much considering the world market is so flooded with AK's. They probably refurbish more then the make now adays
 
AK if for 3rd world peasants.....AR is for highly trained professional operators lol...I once heard

People always want what they can't have.....imagine Canada was flooded with AK-47 but the AR was Prohib.....what a freak'n nightmare that would be.

Ever since I was a little child playing with cap guns....I've always dreamed about holding/shooting/owning a Colt M16/M4 Carbine....soon as I turned 19 got my Rest PAL and bought my NIB Bushamster AR-15A3 16" HBAR / M4 Carbine for $2,000.00 at Al Simmons gun shop over 10 years ago.

My childhood gun dreams came true.....still own my M4 Carbine and take it out religiously ;)

AR-15 .VS. AK-47 .....not even a competition lol.....f@Ck that commie sh!t ...USA USA USA !!!
 
There may well be more ARs than AKs produced today. But that hardly makes up for the 15 year head start the AK had on volume production over the AR. Or the vastly greater quantities of the AK produced during the cold war. For that matter, one order from a third world nation could be placed with the Chinese tomorrow, and wipe out whatever gains the AR has made over the last decade.

It is generally thought that AK production has totalled right around 100 million guns. I don't think the AR-15 is believed to have hit 20 million yet.
 
I love my AR's, I love my Tavor, I love my SKS's, but man oh man do I ever want an AK. Call it a peasant gun all you want, they're freakin badass and I've wanted one before I was even old enough to get my PAL. Got to shoot one full auto when I was in the military and it just made me want one even more. The lack of a couple AK's in my collection is a gaping hole that always pisses me off..
 
^ Same here. I'd really love to have an AK in my collection, with beat-up wooden furniture. My cousin used to live in Arizona and he had one that I'd go out and shoot whenever I'd visit, among others. I really loved that gun, it was my favorite of all his collection, and he had AR's, etc...

I've contemplated buying a deactivated one numerous times... but they're not cheap, and hard to justify. There is the Valmet we can get, but again, really expensive.

And just thinking about it there have got to be a lot more AK's out there than AR's... you can get one in Africa for 50 bucks. Everyone has them, from national armies to bushmen and even kids, millions of them. They're dirt cheap, indestructible, and ammo is plentiful.

Get some dirt in an AR and you're lucky if the fwd assist gets you going without a take down. I used one in basic training 10+ years ago and really put it through it's paces and it was a bit of a b1tch in bad weather when you're crawling through the mud, especially if you forget to close the damn door!

In contrast fill an AK with sand, water, even drive over it, and you pick it up and keep on shooting! ... drive over an AR and it's finished
 
Yup, AK production numbers far outnumber AR/M16 series production as way more armies fielded AK's (and established their own factories to build them) than the M16/M4 series.

But, maybe a case can be made for semi auto AR production (for the civilian market where applicable) versus AK production/sales in the U.S. (and wherever else people are allowed to own them). I think the AK would still win because they are just so much cheaper than the AR series. I'd be interesting to the see sales figures.
 
Maybe there are more AR's being produced than AK's, that's right now and that's just a maybe, only Putin and Mr. Xi really know, but in sheer historical numbers, there must be a hundred times more AK's on this planet than AR's.

Ak's are more accurate and AR's more reliable than people think.
 
The Russians spent close to 50 years producing the AK; 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year - add in the East Germans, Poles, Chinese, Albanians, Indians, North Koreans etc, etc. Amazing numbers of AK's were produced - the goal was to be able to arm every man and woman in the Warsaw Pact. The AR spent the first 25 years of it's life competing against the FAMAS, FAL, G57, G3, AUG, FNC, SA80 and all sorts of other rifles. Standardization greatly assisted the production volume of the AK. I had 2 at one time and was lucky to be able to carry one in the bush, great weapon, but really, not a great rifle. Incidentally, there were pretty substantial numbers of AK's brought in during the '80's and early '90's, but I guess they vanished when they got past their 'best before date' - they sure as hell didn't get registered.
 
Ak47 was only produced in Russia till 1959 when the AKM was adopted. I have only ever seen one AK47, but lots of AKMs.

If you want to lump everything that came after the AK47 in the AK47 pile I want to lump everything that came from the AR10 in the AR10 pile.
AR10, AR15, AR18, M16FOW, SA80, G36, AR180, AUG.......ect.

The SA80 is based on the AR18, which was a manufacturing simplified AR15.

The fact that they took a cheap reliable rifle and made it expensive and unreliable was a British issue.
 
Gunnerlove said:
Ak47 was only produced in Russia till 1959 when the AKM was adopted. I have only ever seen one AK47, but lots of AKMs.

If you want to lump everything that came after the AK47 in the AK47 pile I want to lump everything that came from the AR10 in the AR10 pile.
AR10, AR15, AR18, M16FOW, SA80, G36, AR180, AUG.......ect.

The SA80 is based on the AR18, which was a manufacturing simplified AR15.

The fact that they took a cheap reliable rifle and made it expensive and unreliable was a British issue.
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I thought that AR-18 was made to avoid the patent issue due to Stoner sold AR-15 to colt.
 
I myself wish to use an AK again some day after using the C7 C7A2 I vowed never again to use the AR15/M16/M4 Variants again I vow to use an AK variants again but the VZ 58 is a good enough inbetween for now....
 
Without supply and asmmo availability each platform is useless. AK and AR each need ammo. If ammo runs out you'll need to swith back to black powder. .75 cal flint lock will be better than any AR or AK without ammo. On the other hand when phasers and photone torpedoes will become the norm for all armies in the world, then 7.62x39 AK will take place of black powder .75 cal flint lock.
 
Pietro Beretta said:
AK if for 3rd world peasants.....AR is for highly trained professional operators lol...I once heard
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AK: Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
AR: Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
Mosin Nagant: Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.

Google "Mosin Nagant Humor"
 
Gunnerlove said:
If you want to lump everything that came after the AK47 in the AK47 pile I want to lump everything that came from the AR10 in the AR10 pile.
AR10, AR15, AR18, M16FOW, SA80, G36, AR180, AUG.......ect.
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It is entirely fair and reasonable to lump the AK47, AKM, AK74,AK74M, AK-100 series, AKSU-74, RPK and RPK74s into a single group called "AK family". They are the same design with variations in furniture, caliber and manufacturing methods.

It is not at all fair or reasonable to say the AUG is in the same family as the ArmaLite AR-10. The only thing they share is the multi-lug rotary bolt.
 
BattleRife said:
It is entirely fair and reasonable to lump the AK47, AKM, AK74,AK74M, AK-100 series, AKSU-74, RPK and RPK74s into a single group called "AK family". They are the same design with variations in furniture, caliber and manufacturing methods.
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Don't forget that Galil is also AK-47 based.
If to compare AR-family vs AK-family there is no doubts that AK-family has much more items produced. While generally speaking AK-family rifles are less accurate then AR-family rifles this is not very important in real combat situation since engagement distance is usually less then 50 meters.
 
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