AR15 vs AK47

Remember who made the Ak47. The Russians. And history has shown us that when the Russians figure out a good rifle design....the produce it till it's coming out their parkas. Just look at the Mosin and the SKS
 
Vyach said:
While generally speaking AK-family rifles are less accurate then AR-family rifles this is not very important in real combat situation since engagement distance is usually less then 50 meters.
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Can you reference that?
According to the Brits, Yanks and Aussies Iraq was >300m and Afghanistan was >500m.

The Soviets did not care about the riflemen making hits. There job was to frag the trench while the MGs suppressed and the DMRs tried to make sure the occupants were dead before the riflemen made it there. Their model of section attack would work if the Riflemen were issued a sack of grenades and a hammer.
 
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Gunnerlove said:
Ak47 was only produced in Russia till 1959 when the AKM was adopted. I have only ever seen one AK47, but lots of AKMs.

If you want to lump everything that came after the AK47 in the AK47 pile I want to lump everything that came from the AR10 in the AR10 pile.
AR10, AR15, AR18, M16FOW, SA80, G36, AR180, AUG.......ect.

The SA80 is based on the AR18, which was a manufacturing simplified AR15.

The fact that they took a cheap reliable rifle and made it expensive and unreliable was a British issue.
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Now, now, if you're going to lump long stroke piston guns in with anything, it has to be the AK - when I referred to the "AK" I was referring to the AK FOW - and you can include the M16 FOW, and my statement still stands - things don't get really murky until piston driven guns (a la the 416) come along, and the volume of those is tiny in the light of total M16 production - never mind AK production.
 
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You are talking apples and oranges. An AK is a real, and one of the only, assault rifles ever made. Estimated to be over 90 million made. An AR-15 is a sporting rifle that has little in common, other than its looks, with its military counterpart. An M-16 is not the same internally as an AR-15. Estimated to be 1.9 million AR-15's made in the U.S.
The AK was designed to be issued to illiterate conscripts who could be taught to use it with the least amount of training possible. The AR is a sporting rifle.
 
sunray said:
You are talking apples and oranges. An AK is a real, and one of the only, assault rifles ever made. Estimated to be over 90 million made. An AR-15 is a sporting rifle that has little in common, other than its looks, with its military counterpart. An M-16 is not the same internally as an AR-15. Estimated to be 1.9 million AR-15's made in the U.S.
The AK was designed to be issued to illiterate conscripts who could be taught to use it with the least amount of training possible. The AR is a sporting rifle.
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Eh? Most readily available, current production (along with most older models), AR15's are virtually identical to their "military counterpart"... Internal fire control mechanism differs, slightly (semi-automatic), but they are essentially the same firearm. Colt SP1's are a little farther off...
 
mt666tm said:
^ Same here. I'd really love to have an AK in my collection, with beat-up wooden furniture. My cousin used to live in Arizona and he had one that I'd go out and shoot whenever I'd visit, among others. I really loved that gun, it was my favorite of all his collection, and he had AR's, etc...

I've contemplated buying a deactivated one numerous times... but they're not cheap, and hard to justify. There is the Valmet we can get, but again, really expensive.

And just thinking about it there have got to be a lot more AK's out there than AR's... you can get one in Africa for 50 bucks. Everyone has them, from national armies to bushmen and even kids, millions of them. They're dirt cheap, indestructible, and ammo is plentiful.

Get some dirt in an AR and you're lucky if the fwd assist gets you going without a take down. I used one in basic training 10+ years ago and really put it through it's paces and it was a bit of a b1tch in bad weather when you're crawling through the mud, especially if you forget to close the damn door!

In contrast fill an AK with sand, water, even drive over it, and you pick it up and keep on shooting! ... drive over an AR and it's finished
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Haha. Ya and after you curse and swear while getting cursed and swore at. It had to be ready for inspection cleaner then it came off the production line.
 
Just thought I would point out that the AK will fail the M16 dust and dirt test. Burying an AK with the ejection port open will easily allow debris to fill behind the bolt carrier locking the action closed.

Many people point to Vietnam and assume that the AKM was effective and reliable in the hands of peasants when in fact the NVA were some of the finest light infantry in the world at the time.
 
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Russian Special Forces with an AR in Crimea, when they took over the Ukrainian airforce base.
 

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Russian Special Forces with an AR in Crimea, when they took over the Ukrainian airforce base.
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Those aren't Russians! They're just a suspiciously well armed and organized, grassroots, pro-Russia militia that are local to Ukraine and tally not fielded, funded, supported or otherwise aided by the USS... err... Russia.

As for AKxx vs ARxx/Mxx rifles, there are way more AKxx rifles in existence. As was previously mentioned, just about every "red" nation both produced and used the AKxx rifle as their standard service rifle for many decades.
 
sf said:
One should own both. End of story.
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Amen... For a sporting rifle, AR is definitely superior. For a SHTF rifle, I'd have at least one AK with standard furniture and irons sighted in even though I wouldn't kick an Aimpoint on a qd mount outta the bed. Something magical about the simplicity and reliability of the AK platform. Still very effective in trained hands and some trained professionals still choose to sling an AK over an M4 when they go to work (private sector). Even with a reflex sight and m43 ammo, it can be as accurate as an AR out to 1/4mi. Any longer ranges and you want a DMR anyway.
 
I don't know what you talking about calling AK a peasant gun... Its the most reliable assault rifle ever made.... There are new AKs like the AK12 that compare to the newest M4 carbines today....M4 is a great firearm but the AK is by far the most famous and reliable firearm ever made...A country (Mozambique) even has the AK on their flag...
 
Firearmsking said:
M4 is a great firearm but the AK is by far the most famous and reliable firearm ever made...
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The British made a rifle well over 100 years ago that is still in military service, I believe it to be a more reliable, user friendly and accurate firearm than the AKM.

This is based on putting rounds down range using both. Rebuttal?
 
I have the absolute answer, here, and it's indisputably the AR15... Why? When was the last time you fondled an AK47 in Canada?
 
I'm surprised at the amount of AK love going on in this thread.

Even if they were totally legal Non-Restricted in Canada, and sold right beside SKS for under $500, I would still have no interest in buying one, just like I don't want an SKS for $300.

Not sure whether it's because I see myself as one of the good guys, and the Chinese Russian Interahmwe Taliban use these red rifles, but I don't get it (?)
 
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