Are another 30,000+ surplus P6's (SIG P225-type) about to go civilian?

Would you buy a police surplus P6?

  • I would buy one with aftermarket barrel for as much as $600

    Votes: 13 12.4%
  • I would buy one with aftermarket barrel, but not for more than $450

    Votes: 73 69.5%
  • The aftermarket barrel concept makes this a non-starter for me. Maybe if the law ever changes!

    Votes: 19 18.1%

  • Total voters
    105

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I was looking at the European HK webpage and noticed this articled dated Nov. 26, 2008 which states that, following the lead of the customs office, the whole of the Federal Police (Bundespolizei) will be switching over to the HK P30 from the SIG P6 (P225-type). (The big round of P7's was from the "State Police" - Landespolizei. I guess the feds decided to upgrade as well). 30,000... WOW! That is a TON OF GUNS!! These things were inexpensive in the U.S. before, but they have got to be downright cheap if all those ex-police guns get sold off.

Nov 26, 2008
Federal Police to receive new service pistol
Award goes to the Heckler & Koch P30 V2 Pistol.

Following the adoption of the modern service pistol P30 by the German customs office, the Federal Police have also decided in favour of the P30 and placed an order with the Oberndorf-based firm of Heckler & Koch GmbH. Starting from summer 2009 the P30 will replace the former SIG Sauer P6 service pistol. The supply order covers approximately 30,000 pistols, with an option of another 5000 units, and has a target for completion by 2011.

The new P30 pistol is a further development of the P2000 police pistol. During development of the P30, the emphasis was placed on a completely new ergonomic design of the grip of shape. Interchangeable lateral panels and backstraps – each of them in three different sizes- offer maximum flexibility for adaptation of the weapon to the hand of the shooter in question – men and women alike. The magazine has a capacity of 15 cartridges of calibre 9mm x 19. In a fully loaded condition the pistol weighs a mere 900g. In addition to the easy acquisition three dot sights, in the forward part of the grip the P30 has a NATO (MIL-STD-1913) picatinny interface for use of optional accessories including aiming units and tactical lights.

Upon successful completion of training, each officer of the Federal Police will in future receive his/her personally assigned service pistol and keep it until their retirement from service.



So, the question that immediately comes to mind is... will this mean that 30,000+ P6's will be entering the civilian market... mostly in the U.S.? And the other inevitable question... is anyone in Canada thinking of finding a way to get a piece of this market with some aftermarket barrels?

I know we've talked about this before... the fact that we need aftermarket barrels totally sucks... and will probably prevent a single pistol of those 30,000+ from entering the country... but just as a feeler.... say it could be done... who here would pay $550-$600 for one of these with a new 106mm barrel (I just throw those numbers out, as I believe anything less is not just improbable, but actively fantasizing).

This is what they look like:
P6-1.jpg


This is what something legal in Canada would look like (10 second photoshop):
P6-2.jpg


This is a new Canadian market P229 for comparison:
SIG6-2.jpg


There are some good P6 videos on Youtube as well.
 
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I was looking at the European HK webpage and noticed this articled dated Nov. 26, 2008 which states that, following the lead of the customs office, the whole of the Federal Police (Bundespolizei) will be switching over to the HK P30 from the SIG P6 (P225-type). (The big round of P7's was from the "State Police" - Landespolizei. I guess the feds decided to upgrade as well). 30,000... WOW! That is a TON OF GUNS!! These things were inexpensive in the U.S. before, but they have got to be downright cheap if all those ex-police guns get sold off.
These things are inexpensive in the U.S. because they are ex-service guns that have already been shipped across the pond. They sell for around $300-350 in the U.S. and are unlikely to get any cheaper. Keep in mind these guns were made in the late 70s early 80s, before Sig implemented various metallurgical and structural changes to eliminate the cracking of alloy frames and other common issues with P22x guns. Also, from the pics that I've seen, many of them are in fairly beat-up shape.

By the time these guns are converted to restricted, shipped to Canada and the importer's commission is added, they will be pushing $600-700, which is not worth it IMO.
 
Sounds like a project for 'CanAm':) Im 12(6) so its all goooooooood:D

Even if you are 12(6) you, unfortunately are still not going to get a short barreled one.

This would be very cool to have if allowed. Personally I am not a big fan of short barreled guns with a longer barrel sticking out the end.
 
Ideally the barrel change would need to be done before the gun enters Canada saves a verification and re-registration which just slows the whole process down....
 
Would a 106mm sig 229 barrel fit? Since sig is making factory 106mm barrels for many models I think it would be less desireable.
 
I`m in !

I would take one, if the price is right, of course

They currently go for 299USD, that for P6 in VG condition
w ww.militarygunsupply.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=141&zenid=4v70a5nfi3jgo8qq0e9mjq06f0

They are decent, had a look at them last week

so I would`t mind paying up to 500$ Can for one in the same condition as theses, but with a new barrel (threaded would be cool)
 
O.k., this is interesting.... it seems there would definitely be interest in the P6 at around the $450 price range.

I note that Joe Dlask is selling SP2340's (DAO SIG Pro in .40S&W) for $450 with an unfired EFK Firedragon barrel.... so it seems like it would be do-able with the P6 as well. Granted, the market has got to be pretty flat for DAO Sig Pro's, but at least we know that cheap surplus gun + aftermarket barrel + paperwork to import and a bit of profit for the seller... can still work out to $450.

Joe Dlask also has the 229's with the same type of barrel for $850... so, apparantly, more desirable gun = big spike in price. The other thing is... they didn't cut the barrels short enough!! :runaway: That is not 106mm.... (look at the picture on his website... google his last name) that is twice as extended as it needs to be. Factory spec is 3.9 inch (99mm), so you need to add 7mm on there (or, really, 6 plus a fraction if you are confident in the measuring technique to be used) to get it into Canada. The ones in the pictures look like they are most likely 4.5 inch barrels (114mm). When you are living in the hell of Canadian gun laws... every millimeter counts!

So anyway... there is some demand here... and I think with "cheaper" barrels (hopefully not offending anyone here) like EFK, it could be feasible. The P6 just looks like such a fascinating little gun to me. And... where else would we ever get any more 225's into this country at any price. The odd guy here and there at that buys one in the States, re-barrels it, and pays through the nose to import a one-off? I say... bulk buy on barrels (Storm Lake maybe?... at least a few hundred of them)... buy up a supply of the guns... put 'em together, ship 'em across as a group. I dunno... I'm not an expert in these things, and I don't have the money to put together the deal myself.... but I'd definiately buy a gun or two if the price is half-way reasonable.
 
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I have to put my two cents in...

I have purchased one SIG P6 (P225) for $300 and I have to say that this gun is just SUPERB! It blows SIG P-229 out of the water - in my opinion for whatever its worth.

I just ordered a 106mm barrel for it from EFK and that way I can take it back with me when I come home :)

Only down side to it are the magazines - or lack thereof. New SIG magazines are almost $50, and the aftermarket (ProMag) are not even good as door stops.

But all in all... THE ABSOLUTE BEST SIG I have ever had a chance to shoot. I threw in some night sights on it and this baby is staying in the family!

I know a lot of people shy away from military/police surplus, but there are things that get better over time :)
 
I have to put my two cents in...

I have purchased one SIG P6 (P225) for $300 and I have to say that this gun is just SUPERB! It blows SIG P-229 out of the water - in my opinion for whatever its worth.

I just ordered a 106mm barrel for it from EFK and that way I can take it back with me when I come home :)

Only down side to it are the magazines - or lack thereof. New SIG magazines are almost $50, and the aftermarket (ProMag) are not even good as door stops.

But all in all... THE ABSOLUTE BEST SIG I have ever had a chance to shoot. I threw in some night sights on it and this baby is staying in the family!

I know a lot of people shy away from military/police surplus, but there are things that get better over time :)

You shold pick up a few more and bring them back with you, I don't think you'd have any problem selling them!
 
I doubt there is enough of a demand for these. I paid $300 for mine + $170 for EFK barrel, for a total of $470 USD. That's something like $540 CDN for a used police gun, without any markup. Now these guns have gone up to $350, so that would make one cost $600 CDN to buy one and make it Canada-legal.

Judging by response of a majority, it doesn't seem to be a feasible project for the cost involved.
 
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