Are center fire rifles as pickey as rimfire?

I found this article with a good item # para 3 on twist rates.. what say you 223 shooters is available in affordable rifles with good triggers that have a 1.9 twist rate?

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I don't have to read the replies here, to know what the majority will be. They will be about what your rifle "Likes."
My view is contrary to this, but it coincides with the view of many old time shooters.
Simply put, if you have a good rifle, rim or centre fire, well tuned and properly bedded, it will shoot all ammunition in accordance with the quality of the ammunition. Meaning good ammunition will make good groups, poorer ammunition will make poorer groups.
I have proven this many times, to my own satisfaction.
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I have proven otherwise, to myself and to many other people. Using the exact same make and model of bullet, the exact same brass, the exact same primer, the same brass preparation, and weighing the powder to the same tolerance, on the same scale, simply changing the powder , or the bullet weight, can have a very significant effect on the accuracy, in a given firearm.
 
stubblejumper said:
I have proven otherwise, to myself and to many other people. Using the exact same make and model of bullet, the exact same brass, the exact same primer, the same brass preparation, and weighing the powder to the same tolerance, on the same scale, simply changing the powder , or the bullet weight, can have a very significant effect on the accuracy, in a given firearm.
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Exactly what I have been saying!

"Simply put, if you have a good rifle, rim or centre fire, well tuned and properly bedded, it will shoot all ammunition in accordance with the quality of the ammunition. Meaning good ammunition will make good groups, poorer ammunition will make poorer groups."

By changing a component, your ammunition went from good to poor.
 
By changing a component, your ammunition went from good to poor.
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If the components are of the same quality, and they are assembled with the same care, it isn't a matter of the ammunition being "good" or "poor". If it was, then the same loads should be the most accurate in every rifle, but anyone with any amount of experience is well aware, of that not being true. There is a very good reason that the top ranked target shooters don't all use the same load, for each chambering, that being, that each individual target rifle, prefers a slightly different load. As well, the so called "good" load might shoot poorly in other rifles, and the so called "poor" load might be the most accurate load in another rifle.
 
stubblejumper said:
If the components are of the same quality, and they are assembled with the same care, it isn't a matter of the ammunition being "good" or "poor". If it was, then the same loads should be the most accurate in every rifle, but anyone with any amount of experience is well aware, of that not being true. There is a very good reason that the top ranked target shooters don't all use the same load, for each chambering, that being, that each individual target rifle, prefers a slightly different load. As well, the so called "good" load might shoot poorly in other rifles, and the so called "poor" load might be the most accurate load in another rifle.
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I won't be drawn into any further discussion on this. I think I stated that my view on the matter is different than most other peoples, and that is that.
I am not trying to change any ones opinion on this and my conclusion, reached after many years of experience, will not be changed by what someone tells me.
 
I won't be drawn into any further discussion on this. I think I stated that my view on the matter is different than most other peoples, and that is that.
I am not trying to change any ones opinion on this and my conclusion, reached after many years of experience, will not be changed by what someone tells me.
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And I won't change my opinion, also based on many years of experience , just because someone, who offers nothing at all to back his opinion, tells me something different.
 
hometownhero said:
For a 223 I would go with 1:9 You can shoot 69- 70 grain bullets with that. My 223 is a 1:9 and I shoot 40gr all the way up to 68 on a regular basis. I have shot 77ge bergers as well with good results.
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Thanks that is pretty much what was in the link I posted for my use said.. Now to narrow down a good affordable rifle with a decent trigger out of the box.
 
With all the ammo I've tried in my .270 so far, Hornady 140gr SST shoot the tightest group with Federal Premium 150gr coming in second. Remington 130gr CoreLokt shot the worst.
 
H4831 said:
I don't have to read the replies here, to know what the majority will be. They will be about what your rifle "Likes."
My view is contrary to this, but it coincides with the view of many old time shooters.
Simply put, if you have a good rifle, rim or centre fire, well tuned and properly bedded, it will shoot all ammunition in accordance with the quality of the ammunition. Meaning good ammunition will make good groups, poorer ammunition will make poorer groups.
I have proven this many times, to my own satisfaction.
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Bingo & Ditto! :)
I can add a bit extra in that I always ensure that the muzzle crown is in primo shape.
The best loads around ain't worth much if the crown is flawed in any way.
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No they are not with equally good quality ammo.
Problem is finding truly accurate rimfire ammo at reasonable cost to yourself.
Do yourself a big favour and take up handloading centrefire ammunition.
You will stretch you dollar and for x amount of factory ammo you can handload much more in quantity & control quality as well.
 
So.. I have determined this .270 has a 1/10 twist rate.
With that in mind, any suggestions as to what bullet weight I should try for decent accuracy?
There is some great information on this thread, and I am really hoping for some input on my next ammo purchase.
The Core-Loks are not performing well, at all.
So, with this .270 with a 1-10 twist, what do you guys recommend for my a bullet weight for my next purchase. I would like to do some coyote hunting with it..
Thanks!
 
I tend to agree with Bruce on this matter of accuracy, an accurate rifle will tend to shoot any reasonable ammunition accurately. That is not to say every factory round will produce MOA, or that some handloads won't shoot better than others. There are always exceptions to the rule, but in terms of practical rifle accuracy, that is accuracy that one can actually exploit in the field, I've found the premise to hold true.
 
Thanks guys.
I am having a battle with all the information I am trying to absorb here..
Now that I have narrowed down a ideal weight of 140 grains, I keep reading about bullet length now having an important factor. Short and stubby, long and pointed..
Man, what headache.. Learning lots though.
 
Pyd said:
Thanks guys.
I am having a battle with all the information I am trying to absorb here..
Now that I have narrowed down a ideal weight of 140 grains, I keep reading about bullet length now having an important factor. Short and stubby, long and pointed..
Man, what headache.. Learning lots though.
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1:10 twist will shoot anything for the 270. Pick a bullet and load em up
 
Pyd said:
Thanks guys.
I am having a battle with all the information I am trying to absorb here..
Now that I have narrowed down a ideal weight of 140 grains, I keep reading about bullet length now having an important factor. Short and stubby, long and pointed..
Man, what headache.. Learning lots though.
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This is the problem, we cannot tell you what your rifle will shoot. You have to experiment.

The traditional favorite in the .270 is a 130 gr. bullet. Don't worry about short and stubby or long and pointed unless you are already reloading as there are only so many economical options when you are buying factory ammunition. If you ARE reloading do yourself a favor and buy some quality 130gr. boat tails and something slow like 4831, or RL22 and enjoy!

PS. If you cannot get that thing to shoot, buy my TC Venture. It will shoot the eyes out of a snake;)
 
I have two identical rifles in 308 and the other in 30-06. The 308 throws 180's all over the map, the 30-06 loves them. And vice versa for 150grainers. For sure try all different ammo, you'll then find out what you want to stick with for best results.
 
Well.. Bought a couple boxes of Federal Premium to try, 130 grain again.
My groups went from 6" at 75 yards to 1“ at 100 yards.
Smiling like a fool here!
Now time for a new scope (has entry level Bushnell), I have my eye on a Vortex..
Deer beware!
 
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