In fairness I believe every person's eyes are different. What worked for a 18yr old Kazakstani in the summer of 1955 followed by a refurb and sitting win grease for 65+ years with any stock warping that takes place may not work with for example a 45yr old Canadian's eyes in the deep winter.
Are Chinese SKS rifles zeroed wtih Bayonets extended
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In fairness I believe every person's eyes are different. What worked for a 18yr old Kazakstani in the summer of 1955 followed by a refurb and sitting win grease for 65+ years with any stock warping that takes place may not work with for example a 45yr old Canadian's eyes in the deep winter.
Looking at various pictures of the PLA using type 56 semi, most of them up to the Sino-Vietnamese conflicts starting from 1979 shows the rifle being used with bayonet extended.
The rifle was decommissioned in 1985, largely replaced by type 81. They are still used by militia reserve. Pictures from their use in more modern times shows a mixed of bayonet extended and folded:
So I'd say likely the official doctrine for PLA is zero the rifle with bayonet extended.
As of the rifles exported to Canada, who knows. It might be an unaltered one retaining zero with bayo extended, or one taken from the militia reserve where it was zeroed to their local preference, or could be a mix bag of part and not zeroed at all.
The rifle was decommissioned in 1985, largely replaced by type 81. They are still used by militia reserve. Pictures from their use in more modern times shows a mixed of bayonet extended and folded:
So I'd say likely the official doctrine for PLA is zero the rifle with bayonet extended.
As of the rifles exported to Canada, who knows. It might be an unaltered one retaining zero with bayo extended, or one taken from the militia reserve where it was zeroed to their local preference, or could be a mix bag of part and not zeroed at all.
Looking at various pictures of the PLA using type 56 semi, most of them up to the Sino-Vietnamese conflicts starting from 1979 shows the rifle being used with bayonet extended.
The rifle was decommissioned in 1985, largely replaced by type 81. They are still used by militia reserve. Pictures from their use in more modern times shows a mixed of bayonet extended and folded:
So I'd say likely the official doctrine for PLA is zero the rifle with bayonet extended.
As of the rifles exported to Canada, who knows. It might be an unaltered one retaining zero with bayo extended, or one taken from the militia reserve where it was zeroed to their local preference, or could be a mix bag of part and not zeroed at all.
Great photos . thank you . boy those guys are cheap when it comes to rifle rests for shooting . but then again I have used trees . as for accuracy I have shot a few Chinese sks rifles and I have never extended the bayonet to shoot them and have been happy with the accuracy . the same with the Russian ones also . I noticed in some of the above photos some have blade bayonets and others the spike . as for them having the bayonets extended while in battle I don't think it's to improve accuracy it's just to stab someone with . early Covid type Jab .
Get a UTG sight tool from Amazon. No problem zeroing the sight. BTW, I have read that some find shooting with the bayonet out improves accuracy. I have not tried it. Mine prints everything on an 8 1/2 x 11 paper, free hand at 100 yards with 62 year old eyes.
Those old black & white PLA photos look staged. There is a good chance they were told to extend bayonets for dramatic effect. Also interesting to note that in the bottom b&w picture where they are walking with the SKS's with blade bayonets, the guy in the rear is carrying an SKS but wearing AK pouches.
I think you are in an urgent need of a snicker, really!
The OP is obviously a newbie (no offense) who has made an observation and wanted to gain more information out of this once fine forum that happens to regroup enthusiasts of all kinds who are here to share and gain informations. This is what forums are for, not the usual reproductive organ measuring festival who has been the norm in any threads lately.
OP: yes it will change POA/POI depending on how the zero was made. It seems to have been a thing in sone armies to zero their weapons with the bayonet on like it was the way they carried their weapon all the time. We barely see our bayonets anymore, I don’t remember last time I fixed one other than on parade, so I wouldn’t zero any bayonet-equipped firearm with it deployed or fixed.
Agree with the first part, extended for the staged photo shoot as it looks more aggressive, but I think the guy is carrying an AK with barrel down, can see the buttstock above his right shoulder, the guy behind him is carrying the SKS
None taken but you're wrong, 17 years of shooting experience including teaching people how to shoot in the army, and representing my nation in international shooting.
Indeed, different armies have different approaches to combat, particularly in this time (1940s to 1960s) period where significant differences & changes in doctrine and technology occurred in a very short period of time.
I'm literally just asking if the Chinese zeroed their SKS rifles with bayonets out. That's all, I'm well aware of how it can change impact etc. I'm just asking from a historic perspective on the basis of a thought I had. Nothing more.
There in would appear the answer to the OP's question. Given the fact the early SKS Chinese versions were made on Soviet equipment and on the assumption the Chinese were unlikely to change the design of the sights I would be surprised if any time was spent worrying whether or not the Soviets had calibrated their rear sight accurately. Note: the Chinese changed the design of the bayonet. In the absence of information to the contrary the rear sight was not changed which would indicate for practical purposes the bayonet had no effect on the guns ability to provide some degree of accuracy.
According to our friend Wiki the Chinese made over 2.5 million of these rifles. My Russian SKS appears to have the same rear sight as I had on my previous Chinese SKS. With VICIOUS response in hand I would guess the guns sights were zeroed at 100 meters without the bayonet being extended and perhaps not even attached. The guns were using ammo of questionable quality and destined to be in the hands of disposable troops if the Korean conflict was any indication of warfare tactics of the Chinese.
If you can shoot 3" groups using iron sights with your SKS I am in awe. I only wish my eyes could perform as well as yours at 50 yards. Thanks for posting.
Take Care
Bob (Munching my Snickers Bar)
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LMAO . Ah you just made my day . you do have a sense of humor. do they really sell Snicker bars in Terrace ? I thought they only had dried Grizzly jerky at the local corner store . my oldest sister lived in Terrace with her EX. I was told Grizzly bears walk down the street sometimes . back to the Chinese sks . your more than likely correct in your cannon fodder troop assumption . they are only a number or were a number in the military in those days . there are several great aspects of the sks that make it an outstanding rifle . extreme reliability ease of disassembly and reassembly and accurate enough for most of us to be very happy to shoot .
the triggers stink . but if you do your part they will suffice .the first Chinese sks I had many years ago was very accurate . some on here have claimed that they can be more accurate then the Russian counter parts . I have fired Chinese Russian and Yugo sks rifles and have never thought to extend the bayonet to supposedly enhance the accuracy. I was just happy to be shooting . I hope we have answered the OP's questions . . I just read your quote at the bottom of your page . oh so true . it's tough sometimes . you all take care and be careful .
