Are gun safes necessary?

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I was wondering if it is required by law to store firearms in a safe or if you can store them in a small locked room that contains only the firearms and nothing else.
Any answers or alternatives to gun safes (they seem rather expensive) would be great.
Thanks!
 
depends what it is..

rifles / shot guns - trigger lock and in the closet -legal

restricteds - trigger lock and in an opaque locked container or room specifically desgined for fire arms storage.. a small locked room with solid core door with lock would do

BUT if theives enter when your not there is much easier to break a door down then it is to move a bolted down safe. a safe can be had for a few hundreds bucks, cheap peice of mind if u have lots $ tied up in firearms
 
was none of this covered in your pal/rpal course, I am surprised your instructor did not go over safe/legal storage and transport of firearms

they must have told you about trigger locks, cable locks, storage containers, and so on...

if not,,,,shame on them

now if you just went and challenged the test, then shame on you, for not reading the course books enough

there seem to be more and more of these types of questions lately......I wonder why...

and this is really unnerving if you ask me......

arizonaicedtea said:
Thanks for the advice everyone, I'm pretty naive when it comes to the legal aspects of the shooting sports.
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arizonaicedtea said:
Thanks for the advice everyone, I'm pretty naive when it comes to the legal aspects of the shooting sports.
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well then, my second friendly advice would be to stop being so naive. Get informed on the laws that govern this sport : these are things you NEED to know. There should be no such thing as being ignorant of firearms laws as a gun owner. You need to be responsible and aware of your rights, privileges, and obligations.

i also tend to think such values are a must for anything in life, but hey, maybe thats just me...

And co-signed on Ftaview's statement ^^
 
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i might also add that ignoring firearms laws as an owner is a disrespectful attitude towards the sport and the community, let alone a safety concern for anyone close to you.
 
I'm a new firearm owner who has taken all the courses, and it is quite an overwhelming batch of sometimes contradictory information. This is because so many of the laws are based on a personal interpretation of the wordings. The bottom line is that if you do the bare minimum of what the law says, or try to come up with a new system, you may have to defend it in court. Also, if you are unsure about a storage method that you still wish to push ahead with, then contact the CFO office and get the answers from the horses mouth. Or take the easy route and store your stuff in a metal gun cabinet or safe.

Oh, and on top of all that, have fun shooting your guns!
 
Well when I said 'pretty naive' I was exagerating in what was intended to be a 'oh darn, I should really know this' sort of way(Insert sheepish look hear). I have not taken a course to obtain my PAL and RPAL and am gathering knowledge before I do, as I am not currently old enough to apply for said permits. I have experience with shooting and was just looking to gather some extra information in preparation for aquiring my first firearm. I have read the RPAL course book from 1999 and it was not as clear on the subject of locking up firearms as I would have liked. So I thought I'd ask here. Turns out that was a bad idea, I should have just looked on a government website. Guess I'll do that next time...
 
Good start

I think asking the questions is a good thing for a young person who is genuine about doing things the right way.
Study the books and get aa hold of some legitimate gun and hunting magazines. Read the articles and check out adds with web sites. As you do this you will find out which types of firearms and shooting styles appeal to you most.
I also think getting a hold of a loading manual such as the Lee Reloading book. Start at the introduction and read everything as if it is a novel. You will learn a lot about firearms, powders, bullets and most of all safety.
You will learn about ballistics and accuracy and this will be a great start for when you get your licence and buy your first boom stick.
Also as a suggestion, learning how to be accurate with a pellet rifle or pistol that spits under 500 feet per second is affordable, fun and challenging. Plus it can be done in the home or garage with the right method of catching the projectiles. Now for a proper cleaning kit and some help from someone who is willing to spend an hour a week with you to get you going and you will be OK.
 
Actually if you had started with this as your first post, you would have received a lot less grief, we can't read minds, your info does not come across the screen, so we go by what you tell us, and unfortunately it was not much in the beginning but how naive you are

most of us would have actually pointed you in the direction of a more current version of the books your reading....online and free.....

arizonaicedtea said:
Well when I said 'pretty naive' I was exagerating in what was intended to be a 'oh darn, I should really know this' sort of way(Insert sheepish look hear). I have not taken a course to obtain my PAL and RPAL and am gathering knowledge before I do, as I am not currently old enough to apply for said permits. I have experience with shooting and was just looking to gather some extra information in preparation for aquiring my first firearm. I have read the RPAL course book from 1999 and it was not as clear on the subject of locking up firearms as I would have liked. So I thought I'd ask here. Turns out that was a bad idea, I should have just looked on a government website. Guess I'll do that next time...
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Wow! Some guys should just refrain from replying in this forum if they have no patience to help a new comer.

To the OP, no worries. There is a lot to absorb out of the gate so if you have questions, ask away. In most cases you will get some sage advice or at least get directed to the proper resources. That is afterall the purpose of this particular forum. :)

Good luck and welcome to the sport!
 
Here's the thing that bothers me he is posting in the Newbie FAQ's not like he dropped this in the General section.

To the OP don't worry you did nothing wrong you'll get use to it it will happen at ranges to just chill and remember some people are just that way.

I'd stick with something marketed as a gun cabinet at least and put trigger locks on em to be sure. The reason I suggest things marketed as gun stuff is it's all about the perception of the court.
 
Ftaview said:
Actually if you had started with this as your first post, you would have received a lot less grief, we can't read minds, your info does not come across the screen, so we go by what you tell us, and unfortunately it was not much in the beginning but how naive you are

most of us would have actually pointed you in the direction of a more current version of the books your reading....online and free.....
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Most people did point him in the right direction, YOU are the one giving most of the grief. Why don't you get out of the Newbie section, your posts are not helpful.
 
@tmackay ^^^^^^^^^^^^^


arizonaicedtea said:
I was wondering if it is required by law to store firearms in a safe or if you can store them in a small locked room that contains only the firearms and nothing else.
Any answers or alternatives to gun safes (they seem rather expensive) would be great.
Thanks!
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arizonaicedtea said:
Thanks for the advice everyone, I'm pretty naive when it comes to the legal aspects of the shooting sports.
Click to expand...

Ftaview said:
was none of this covered in your pal/rpal course, I am surprised your instructor did not go over safe/legal storage and transport of firearms

they must have told you about trigger locks, cable locks, storage containers, and so on...

if not,,,,shame on them

now if you just went and challenged the test, then shame on you, for not reading the course books enough

there seem to be more and more of these types of questions lately......I wonder why...

and this is really unnerving if you ask me......
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sewktbk said:
well then, my second friendly advice would be to stop being so naive. Get informed on the laws that govern this sport : these are things you NEED to know. There should be no such thing as being ignorant of firearms laws as a gun owner. You need to be responsible and aware of your rights, privileges, and obligations.

i also tend to think such values are a must for anything in life, but hey, maybe thats just me...

And co-signed on Ftaview's statement ^^
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sewktbk said:
i might also add that ignoring firearms laws as an owner is a disrespectful attitude towards the sport and the community, let alone a safety concern for anyone close to you.
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Ftaview said:
Actually if you had started with this as your first post, you would have received a lot less grief, we can't read minds, your info does not come across the screen, so we go by what you tell us, and unfortunately it was not much in the beginning but how naive you are

most of us would have actually pointed you in the direction of a more current version of the books your reading....online and free.....
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Seems I was not the only one, that had the same thoughts on the OP

His own comments put him in the position he got into, not anything the rest of us said, only latter did he clarify his actual experience and knowledge

arizonaicedtea said:
Well when I said 'pretty naive' I was exagerating in what was intended to be a 'oh darn, I should really know this' sort of way(Insert sheepish look hear). I have not taken a course to obtain my PAL and RPAL and am gathering knowledge before I do, as I am not currently old enough to apply for said permits. I have experience with shooting and was just looking to gather some extra information in preparation for aquiring my first firearm. I have read the RPAL course book from 1999 and it was not as clear on the subject of locking up firearms as I would have liked. So I thought I'd ask here. Turns out that was a bad idea, I should have just looked on a government website. Guess I'll do that next time...
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on the other hand, other than taking a stab at me, of what value did you contribute to this thread and or to answer the OP ?

tmackay said:
Most people did point him in the right direction, YOU are the one giving most of the grief. Why don't you get out of the Newbie section, your posts are not helpful.
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Another option to a 'safe' is one of the stack on cabinets from Cdn Tire. They go on sale at 40% to 60% off from time to time. You would still require a trigger lock for restricted f/a but they meet the legal requirement for storage.
 
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