Are gun safes necessary?

Thanks to everyone who posted links/gave information.
I'm taking a course at my local range that (according to them) is basically a PAL training course for those looking to gather information early. We shoot .22s out to 20 yards (generally) and I started picking up some copies of guns & ammo.
Also started listening to Canadian Reload Radio.

Thanks for the help
 
arizonaicedtea said:
Thanks to everyone who posted links/gave information.
I'm taking a course at my local range that (according to them) is basically a PAL training course for those looking to gather information early. We shoot .22s out to 20 yards (generally) and I started picking up some copies of guns & ammo.
Also started listening to Canadian Reload Radio.

Thanks for the help
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those are all great ways to get information and experience

good luck on your tests
 
Ftaview said:
not really.....the power of cut and paste and multi quote....

another thing you might want to learn while roaming forums...

and your still no help to the OP
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Sorry dude, but what have you done to help the OP? You first response was to scold him. How very welcoming :rolleyes:

now if you just went and challenged the test, then shame on you, for not reading the course books enough
there seem to be more and more of these types of questions lately......I wonder why...

and this is really unnerving if you ask me......
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Of course the replies from sewktbk really set the standard for friendly assistance:

Post #2: Here is a link but you should not ask your questions here
Post #7: A full out lecture on responsibilites on gun ownership and yes.. life!
Post #8: A follow up to add he is being disrespectful

Using a little tact and encouragement to make your points would go a long way instead of making them regret they joined CGN.

AIT... good luck! And here is a thread from awhile back that has some excellent information regarding storage laws (there are many others but this one really helped me):

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=477405
 
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arizonaicedtea said:
I was wondering if it is required by law to store firearms in a safe or if you can store them in a small locked room that contains only the firearms and nothing else.
Any answers or alternatives to gun safes (they seem rather expensive) would be great.
Thanks!
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There are 2 components here, one the minimum requirements by law/regulation and if you intent to find your property where you left it last (and all the consequences going with that)... Hope it helps...
 
arizonaicedtea said:
Thanks for the advice everyone, I'm pretty naive when it comes to the legal aspects of the shooting sports.
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Ftaview said:
was none of this covered in your pal/rpal course, I am surprised your instructor did not go over safe/legal storage and transport of firearms

they must have told you about trigger locks, cable locks, storage containers, and so on...

if not,,,,shame on them

now if you just went and challenged the test, then shame on you, for not reading the course books enough

there seem to be more and more of these types of questions lately......I wonder why...

and this is really unnerving if you ask me......
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The_Sicilian said:
Sorry dude, but what have you done to help the OP? You first response was to scold him. How very welcoming :rolleyes:



Of course the replies from sewktbk really set the standard for friendly assistance:

Post #2: Here is a link but you should not ask your questions here
Post #7: A full out lecture on responsibilites on gun ownership and yes.. life!
Post #8: A follow up to add he is being disrespectful

Using a little tact and encouragement to make your points would go a long way instead of making them regret they joined CGN.

AIT... good luck! And here is a thread from awhile back that has some excellent information regarding storage laws (there are many others but this one really helped me):

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=477405
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My comments were directed at his second post - he wrote it not me, and I was pointing out what I thought were grave errors either on his part or the guys he took a course from, or just studying enough to pass his test

his original and first question were answered by other members already

and his comment about being naive was cause for concern, unfortunately once this was brought to his attention, his other posts clarified his position

perhaps if he stayed with his first post, half the crap in this thread would be redundant.....
 
The_Sicilian said:
Of course the replies from sewktbk really set the standard for friendly assistance:

Post #2: Here is a link but you should not ask your questions here
Post #7: A full out lecture on responsibilites on gun ownership and yes.. life!
Post #8: A follow up to add he is being disrespectful

Using a little tact and encouragement to make your points would go a long way instead of making them regret they joined CGN.

AIT... good luck! :)
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hello Sicilian,
first of all, i would like to say that i was the first to give him a link to the info he needed. So i don't think i can be called out for not being helful. And yes, i still believe that for questions regarding legality, one should look for more official and reliable sources than CGN. Even though he might get the right advice, there's always the risk that someone misinformed will give him the wrong one here. And that is not doing any of us a favor, is it.

Secondly, because he made his situation so unclear in his original post, i took for granted that he already had is PAL, which made me think of him as an irresponsible gun owner, given the fact he didn't know the storage laws. For that, i do apologize, mea culpa, i'm glad he cleared up that he wasn't an unaware gun owner but an aspiring gun owner, which completely justifies the fact that he doesn't know these things yet.

That being said, if i was to address such a question from a certified gun owner as i thought i was doing at first, i would adopt the exact same attitude as i initially did, as i think it would be unacceptable behaviour from a firearm owner.

i hope this clears it up.

cheers.
 
OK boys. I think we all want the same thing in the end so no offense. I am just saying we were all new at one point and probably at one time or another posted something that was vague or unclear.

This being the Newbie forum we just need to cut some slack. Anywhere else and it's fair game. ;)

My .02

Cheers!
 
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Yes, my first post was unclear. But some of you could have chosen to give me the benefit of the doubt or ask me if I had already taken the PAL/owned a gun. Guess I can't really blame you as there probably aren't a lot of younger members on the forum.
 
i think the part where you said you were naive about laws particularly made us jump. But its all good, you couldn't have known.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
i'm glad we all got it figured out. Welcome. Cheers buddy.
 
from what my instructor told me the rules are not that clear they do not define a vault, all they want is a metal box with a locking door.

a filing cabinet fits the bill, but obviously your going to use your common sense as you don't want a couple thousand dollars of your equipment stolen because you didn't want to spend 400$ a freaking PROPER safe thats been bolted down.
 
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for it to be considered a safe, it has to be sold as a safe.

taking a metal box and putting a lock on it does not make it a safe. It makes it a lockable container, much like a locker.

this makes a difference. for example if you were to put your restricteds in a safe, you do not need to put a trigger lock on them, as if you put them in a lockable container, trigger lock is mandatory.

Granted, the law doesn't define what a safe is...but it does recognize a difference between a safe and a locked container. And if it says "gun safe" on it from the manufacturer, it would be hard for the law to argue that it isn't one.
 
yeah, im just repeating what the instructor at silvercore said lastnight when we were discussing safe storage/laws

and he obviously said, an ACUTAL safe is the best idea and to use common sense and not just follow the bare minimum law
 
Are gunsafes required for storage??

arizonaicedtea said:
I was wondering if it is required by law to store firearms in a safe or if you can store them in a small locked room that contains only the firearms and nothing else.
Any answers or alternatives to gun safes (they seem rather expensive) would be great.
Thanks!
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Arizonaicedtea:
I am new to actually shooting myself and have just gotten my pal/rpal recently but I found the info in CanadianGunNuts.com>Introductions>Newbie FAQs>Start Here: Newbie FAQs post #1. Click on the first link @www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/safety-surette/defalt_e.asp. Go to Firearms Safety training on the left hand side. Click on it. Go to Safdty Course Video on the right hand side and watch all 5 video's . They should answer most of your questions. There was a good one on Firearms storage if I remember right.:)
 
I talked with great length to a CFO about this and figured I will go with "their" practical interpretation of where they would have issues with the interpretations. Bear in mind, this was only one CFO's veiw on this and they may differ amongst themselves. I was told that if a storage container has exposed hinges on the outside where it was simply a matter of placing a screwdriver on the pin and easily tapping it out...this will not be interpretted as a "safe". The hinge pin must be hidden or staked in such a way as to make removal more difficult than simply yanking or tapping it out with a screwdriver. If the weight of the container is such that it can be easily removed from the home by a person (under 100 lbs or so) efforts should also be taken to fasten to a wall or floor, preferably in a confined area like a closet, where it would be difficult to apply leverage to remove it. I was also told that the name "safe" is loosley interpreted because for example , some containers sold in N.A. are advertised as being an "approved" firearms storage container for certain states. In this CFO's veiw, these containers would be regarded as a "safe".

There are also online legal dictionaries where one can look up the word "safe" if you wanted to be more exact from a legal defense point of view.
 
Most safes on the market come ready to be bolted to the wall/floor. I'd reccommend doing so if you can. Not only to be kosher with the law, but simply for safety. If theres a break in while you're away, its one less risk of having your firearms stolen.
 
sewktbk said:
Most safes on the market come ready to be bolted to the wall/floor. I'd reccommend doing so if you can. Not only to be kosher with the law, but simply for safety. If theres a break in while you're away, its one less risk of having your firearms stolen.
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I wanted to do that... but bolting into concrete reveals to be a harder task then i would have expected :D
If anyone has recommendations...
 
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