Are gun safes necessary?

chemo said:
I wanted to do that... but bolting into concrete reveals to be a harder task then i would have expected :D
If anyone has recommendations...
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i do!

What you need is the right tools. get a drill that can handle concrete, for one. i could try to explain it here, but i would suggest going to home depot or CT or something and ask directly the tool guy. He'll show you what you need right there on the spot. Its easier than you think when you're equipped properly.
 
sewktbk said:
i do!

What you need is the right tools. get a drill that can handle concrete, for one. i could try to explain it here, but i would suggest going to home depot or CT or something and ask directly the tool guy. He'll show you what you need right there on the spot. Its easier than you think when you're equipped properly.
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This! ^^ I was struggled mightily until I invested in some quality masonry bits and borrowed a more powerful electric drill.
 
You want masonry bits and rent a Hammer drill. Just ask at the rental counter for one or ask them for a drill for concrete they should know what a hammer drill is if they don't ask em for a drill for concrete. Don't buy one your never going to recoup the money. After that you'll need anchors that are the right size drill the holes tap the anchors in place put them through the holes in the bottom of your cabinet and tighten them down but don't go to tight. Make sure there is no play in the cabinet and make sure you measure twice on the placement and drill once cause spending all day putting holes in the floor is a bad plan. Trust me I know :redface: Spent half a day re-mounting a pen in the barn the first time my boss had a good laugh after it. Only drilled one hole tried doing it with 80 pigs helping got much easier after I was told to move em. What did I know it was my third day and I'd never drilled concrete before or worked with pigs.
 
^^me, i was lucky enough to walk in a park on a week night a couple years ago and FIND a brand new concrete drill along with a very lightly used Dewalt round saw :D

They were just sitting there on the grass, no one around. waited a minute to make sure i wasn't stealing them, and BAM! had myself some new toys.
 
There is no judicial definition of a safe that is universal. A safe generally is metal of unknown thickness and does not have to be bolted down and the police in Canada ave never published an approved list. It helps if the metal safe is labeled "safe". I have confronted crown prosecutors on this issue several times and each time I have argued that the definition is non existent and challenged them to give me the cases that define safe and each time they have not been able to respond. I have challenged them to support a charge as I would file a motion to have section 86 and the storage regs declared unconstitutional for vagueness, each time the crown has avoided the issue by withdrawl. the crown cannot really support a definition.
So get a metal container of some substance. put a really good lock on it and label it a safe.
Or get a bigger heavy fireproof box with a combination lock etc and that too is a safe.
A point is that all safes can be defeated and opened in time by either a professional with skill and tolls or a dumb fool with torches adn saws and drills. There is no real definition. The question is . Will this box and lock slow a person down.
The point of safe storage in Canada is to prevent and deter access by un-licensed persons. It is NOT to prevent theft. Ie. it is legal to trigger lock a shotgun and leave it in your bedroom with no ammo in the room. nWhen transporting handguns in the car the gun is trigger locked in a locked opaque box but again it is loose in the car.
Compare this to Brittian where the shot gun must be secured against theft both in the home and in the car. Read their law and you will see the difference.
-- Mouthpiece
 
chemo said:
I wanted to do that... but bolting into concrete reveals to be a harder task then i would have expected :D
If anyone has recommendations...
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A hammer drill and masonry bit are what you need to drill into concrete. It's not difficult, unless you hit rebar.

There's lots of videos at http://www.sturdysafe.com/faq.htm
- Different anchor options you can use to bolt the gun safe down.
- How to bolt down using a Wedge Anchor Stud.
- How to bolt down using a Shield Anchor.
- How to bolt down using a Drop In Anchor.
- How to bolt down using a Hammer Set Anchor.
 
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