Are M16 kits legal in canada

[stephenlevangie]

Ive been told both ways. Are M16 parts kits legal in canada? To be more specific im refering to semi automatic m16 trigger kits you can purchase. Im fully aware 3 round burst or full auto is illegal. These kits would be used to replace the Ar15 trigger assembly. If anyone knows definitively or can post a link with a straight answer id appreciate it.

 

[tiriaq]

Where are you purchasing these?
If they are in the US, export would be a major problem. Import could be interesting, as well.
Just out of curiosity, what are "semi automatic M16 parts kits"? Apart from the springs and detents, all M16 trigger parts are selective fire: selector, hammer, trigger, disconnector, let alone the auto sear.
M16 parts, with the exception of the lower receiver, are just parts.
You will find that some parts will not fit a commercial AR lower.
This is very much in the category of "Why bother"?

 

[Canuck223]

Yep, what he said.

About the only M-16 specific part that adds value in the use of your AR-15 is the full auto bolt carrier. It's higher mass can make a difference in reliable functioning with the shorter barrels. (And some manufacturers skip the semi auto lightening cut for this reason.)

CBSA have a memo dealing with M-16 parts. Normally parts for the exclusive use in full auto guns need an import permit. Since virtually all M-16 parts can be and are used in AR-15's, the memo advises that except for the auto sear, all parts are importable.

 

[Claven2]

Also, the M16 hammers are quite useful if you are trying to make a 9mm AR5 with ramped carrier run reliably, though a DPMS hammer profile accomplishes the same thing.

 

[camerl2009]

well the lower would be illegal out right becuse thats the receiver and the full auto part and from what i understand m16 parts will not fit ar 15 parts buy your self a AR and put the m16 look a like foregrip and carry handle and front sight

just like the mag well on a sten is the full auto part/receiver

 

[tiriaq]

Also, the M16 hammers are quite useful if you are trying to make a 9mm AR5 with ramped carrier run reliably, though a DPMS hammer profile accomplishes the same thing.

Yes, AR 15 hammers tend to have that notch on the front of the hammer, which will snag the AR15 firing pin if the hammer tries to follow the bolt foreward. A hammer - without the rear auto sear hook - but with a front profile like a M16 would avoid that problem.

Incidentally, back in the days when parts kits and drop in auto sears were readily available in the US, ATF's trick if they found someone with an AR kitted out with all M16 inner parts, missing only the drop in auto sear, would be to rotate the selector to auto. This will cause the hammer to follow the bolt foreward. With sensitive primer ammunition, the gun would sometimes fire bursts. Good enough for a conviction, even without the DIAS. US rules got changed; possession of a M16 mechanical parts kit (carrier + trigger group) plus a DIAS = possession of a machinegun, even without the rifle.

 

[easy]

What I know, is that all full auto components are legal to possess in Canada including a DIAS. Importation of these parts, especially the DIAS is a different story. First, I don't think you'd get an import certificate approved from Ottawa. Second, BATF would not allow these parts to leave their Country.

An M16 receiver would be a grandfathered prohib. in Canada.

Fill your boots with all the auto parts you want, but make your gun go full auto, that's a big no-no.

 

[tiriaq]

I would be really, really, nervous about someone being in possession of a set of M16 action parts, a DIAS, and an AR with a pocket capable of accepting the DIAS.
Look at the conviction registered in BC for unassembled magazines.
Possession of the rifle and the parts, unassembled, could be considered to be constructive possession. Just sayin'.

 

[easy]

Well, maybe you have a point about the DIAS specifically, but an auto sear needs a hole drilled above the selector. Having all the remaining components installed doesn't do anything more for the gun than giggles. Aside from the carrier for weight of course.

 

[angryeyebrows]

Having all the remaining components installed doesn't do anything more for the gun than giggles.

Wrong. You can install the auto hammer, auto trigger and auto disconnector, but not the selector with them.

If you were to rotate the selector to automatic with the other parts installed, the selector would push down on the tail of the disconnector and effectively take it out of play. Without an auto sear installed, if the trigger is held to the rear, there is nothing to catch the hammer, leaving it to ride the bolt carrier home. This can produce unsafe automatic firing.

Of course, if one were to install an auto hammer, auto trigger and auto selector and a semi-auto disconnector then the position of the selector in it's automatic position, would produce regular semi-auto fire.

 

[easy]

Wrong. You can install the auto hammer, auto trigger and auto disconnector, but not the selector with them.

If you were to rotate the selector to automatic with the other parts installed, the selector would push down on the tail of the disconnector and effectively take it out of play. Without an auto sear installed, if the trigger is held to the rear, there is nothing to catch the hammer, leaving it to ride the bolt carrier home. This can produce unsafe automatic firing.

Of course, if one were to install an auto hammer, auto trigger and auto selector and a semi-auto disconnector then the position of the selector in it's automatic position, would produce regular semi-auto fire.

My apologies and thank you for that correction. I guess there's a reason for the auto sear in the first place.

 

[HeVGunner]

Awhile back there were some either Diemaco or Colt Canada lowers that had the sear pin hole drilled but were not full auto prohibs due to them not being equiped with autosears from the factory. How that got by considering the current T97 BS I have no idea.

 

[Korporal]

Awhile back there were some either Diemaco or Colt Canada lowers that had the sear pin hole drilled but were not full auto prohibs due to them not being equiped with autosears from the factory. How that got by considering the current T97 BS I have no idea.

I'm guessing that's because they were never originally assembled as registered full-auto firearms. A drilled hole doesn't make it an illegal firearm, having it fire full-auto does.

 

[easy]

Awhile back there were some either Diemaco or Colt Canada lowers that had the sear pin hole drilled but were not full auto prohibs due to them not being equiped with autosears from the factory. How that got by considering the current T97 BS I have no idea.

If Diemaco or Colt Canada made them, they shouldn't be in civilian hands anyway.

 

[Leg]

Awhile back there were some either Diemaco or Colt Canada lowers that had the sear pin hole drilled but were not full auto prohibs due to them not being equiped with autosears from the factory. How that got by considering the current T97 BS I have no idea.

I do believe that you're thinking of the Colt 9mm R0634 rifles. They have the hole drilled but were assembled with a semi only trigger mech at the factory. Selector markings are SAFE, FIRE (or SAFE, SEMI??), no auto marking is present.

In the past the argument has always been if it left the factory as a semi then it's not prohib, regardless of wether parts can be installed or not, its the sear that's prohib. With the whole T97 thing the Mounties seem to be trying to rewrite the rules or their is something about that particular rifle that can make it FA without the sear?

 

[tiriaq]

An established parallel is with the various Czech VZ58 based arms. These receivers were factory original selective fire, but were never assembled. Because they were never assembled, it was permissible for them to be reworked for semi only, and not be considered CAs.
The R0634, I cannot say. Perhaps these just slipped through. Even though they have the auto sear hole will they accept an auto sear?

 

[MasterMC]

I've seen 3-round burst trigger group (for M16 GBB airsoft). It looks similar to the real M16 but don't know much about the details. Don't try to play with this.