Are mil adjustments too coarse?

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Guys,

I just went and picked up a bushnell tactical scope. it has a mil reticle and mil turrets. So far so good but the turret clicks are 0.1 mil which @ 100m is about 9mm or 3/8".

I understand that at long distances the little courses mil turret is an advantage but wont it be difficult to zero the rifle at, lets say, 100m as the smallest poi move I can do is 9mm?

Matt
 
You may find your group is slightly to one side or the other of an absolute center line. Is this going to make any practical difference? What is perhaps more important is if the changes observed on the target are consistent and repeatable.
 
are you capable of guiding your shots with in 7/64th " all the time every time? if your not that extra 1/8" per click over 1/4 moa wont make a difference... if you REALLY want to get super finicky about it, you'll want a 1/8moa adjustment scope any way
 
thought its odd that most hunting scopes have 1/4 moa adjustments while high powered sniper scopes have 0.1 mil ...
 
most "hunting" scopes just have a standard duplex retical, so there is no relation to adjustment could be 1/8, 1/4/, 1/2 moa, .1mil for all it matters. as far as "sniper" scopes Mil dots are used by the forces, so having a mil retical with mil turrets makes sense, other companies offer MOA reticals so your best to have MOA turrets. matching turrets and reticals makes life MUCH easier. and any math for adjustments is quick as your nopt trying to convert moa to mils and vice versa
 
Teac said:
Guys,

I just went and picked up a bushnell tactical scope. it has a mil reticle and mil turrets. So far so good but the turret clicks are 0.1 mil which @ 100m is about 9mm or 3/8".

I understand that at long distances the little courses mil turret is an advantage but wont it be difficult to zero the rifle at, lets say, 100m as the smallest poi move I can do is 9mm?

Matt
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its 10mm, if it were 100yds rather than meters it would be around the 9mm mark... aside from this, Mil/Mil scopes are for a certain application, and unless its FFP, theres really no point in having mil/mil
 
ultimate_monkey said:
most "hunting" scopes just have a standard duplex retical, so there is no relation to adjustment could be 1/8, 1/4/, 1/2 moa, .1mil for all it matters. as far as "sniper" scopes Mil dots are used by the forces, so having a mil retical with mil turrets makes sense, other companies offer MOA reticals so your best to have MOA turrets. matching turrets and reticals makes life MUCH easier. and any math for adjustments is quick as your nopt trying to convert moa to mils and vice versa
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Dont get me wrong. I think the mil/mil setup is the best but I thought its odd that you cant zero a precision rifle with a high powered scope in as fine steps as your old hunting rifle ...

on the other hand, maybe having 1/4 moa adjustments on a hunting scope is unnecessary
 
I have always wondered why it seems I am forced to use clicks during sight-in. I would prefer that during sight-in, the scope bypasses the click-detent-wheel-thingy and lets me dial in my zero in true analogue fashion. Then, once I am dead-nutz right on my target, then let me re-engage the click-detent-wheel-thingy and from there I get 1/4 MOA clicks (or whatever the case may be). That way you get both super precision with a load, and the repeatable up-down-left-right clicks of a turret.
 
If you are shooting BR, F/Open or F/TR you will, ideally, want 1/8th click adjustments. If you are shooting a game where somewhat less precision is fine then you won't have trouble with your setup.
 
Once you learn how to use a mil mil FFP scope good bye everything else in a tactical wind reading game. Maybe not in a bench rest Fclass game. Took me a bit to get the mil thing figured out but I like it a lot better now on a FFP scope.

Just get to know your gear really.
 
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I used MOA for a long time and just switched to mil/mil FFP. Being as my life doesn't depend on anything, and even if it did, I have holds, and the rest is just clicks, I have a .05 mil turret. Super fine adjustments between 1/8 and 1/4 Moa. It all depends what your doing with it in the end.
 
Don't overlook the fact that snipers don't necessarily need or go for the ultimate precision that a bench rest shooter would. A mil/mil setup is supposedly the cats ass for ranging and making corrections from splash through the reticle. A sniper is more concerned about getting a "hit" rather than a bullseye. For this purpose the mil/mil set up provides adjustments that are accurate enough to do the job. For example, 1/4 MOA @ 1000 yards is 2.6175 inches, 0.1 Mil is 3.6" @ 1000 yards. At that range, an inch isn't too much. It is far more likely that some other factor will cause a miss rather than the type of your scopes adjustments.
 
I like the mil/mil but I learned the mil/MOA so I have stayed with it over the years.

To me the mil was quicker by a slight margin when splashes are reported in mils, ie. 1.5 mils low, crank in 15.

However a quick way on MOA knobs is to divide the inches missed by the range=MOA

I would guess the wind will be a problem with precision long before the mil knob especially if you shoot farther than 100m.
 
skypilot said:
IHowever a quick way on MOA knobs is to divide the inches missed by the range=MOA

I would guess the wind will be a problem with precision long before the mil knob especially if you shoot farther than 100m.
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That works fine at a known distance with targets of know size to use for reference, but falls apart when the the distance and target size are not exactly known. When your reticle is always accurate, and in the same units as the turrets, you can always just measure and correct. Doesn't matter what the distance is, or the target size is or what the scope magnification is set to, the reticle measure the miss directly and more accurately that an estimation and math performed under stress.

You will never be able to adjust a turret quickly enough to catch a snap target at a random distance. With an accurate reticle, that you can use as a BDC, your probability of being able to hit it goes up considerably. The draw to this kind of optic to military users is that it offers many advantages in fast, dynamic situations (snaps, moving targets) while losing very little in deliberate type shooting with a field practical setup (no huge rests, super wide bipods or big rabbit ear bags).
 
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