Are new calibers 7mmPRC,300PRC,the WSMs practical,realistic option for hunting??

pathfinder76 said:
And he shoots a Model 70. God that is.
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God shoots a Mauser for sure, but it’s an original 98 action and he thinks the model 70 is a budget gun.


Ardent said:
Yep, biggest misconception amongst hunters is heavy for caliber always means more effect. Have seen far too many things die cleanly to light for caliber bullets, including allegedly tough things like big grizzlies, to subscribe to that anymore. Like most things in life, the best choice is usually found in the middle ground.

Moderation, and avoiding the skinny parts of the bell curve in decisions generally breeds good results.
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Swing of the pendulum… we’ve gone too far with the high BC/SD fashion, and people will rediscover why grandpa’s gun had the twist rate it had… because it was made to kill animals and not paper.
 
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The new stuff is great! Especially the PRC family - Hornady has taken the tighter tolerances specified by the 6.5 Creedmoor and applied them cartridges using the same design ethos but higher case capacity. It's really a min/max game and about driving efficiency and consistency. The 6.5 PRC is a great long range medium game cartridge. The 7mm PRC seems like it was born for the T3X and really maximizes what is possible from a 3.340" OAL. The .300 PRC is a monster and will flatten anything on the continent.

Do they do anything different than anything else? Not really. And I'm not seeing much ammo even for the 6.5 PRC. But things are changing, even Weatherby is starting to load the new stuff and once we get to a good point in the supply chain it should be a lot easier to find ammo.

That said, I currently have a 7mm Rem Mag and a .300 Weatherby Mag and I don't see myself trading either of them off to make room for a PRC spin. They will both easily do the job I want them to. I think it would be easier to grab ammo off the shelf and shoot tiny groups with a PRC but part of the shooting hobby for me includes reloading. Once you dial in powder charge, seating depth, and neck tension, you can make just about anything shoot well.

The way I look at it is by the time my son can buy himself a rifle (4 years), the PRCs will probably be go-to options and in another 30 years or so he'll be discussing if those old dogs are still any good compared to whatever new contraption will be grabbing the headlines by then.
 
Word lol.

They seem to give old people the butthurt, but we'll see how things shake out.
 
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The PRC line all has a design flaw and the American shooters are all cleaning up the chambers to fix the issue. Redding dies hates PRC as most issues with dies not working right are because they are PRC’s. A lot of hype over these rifles and I have experienced the issues. If you have one that works it will be amazing. If you have one that has clicking bolt lift, false pressure signs and cases that won’t go into a sizing die, then prepare to be told your stupid and don’t know what your doing by the fans. I wish they would have fixed the issue on the first case and carried it forward to the other two. For me they are the cartridges to avoid now.
 
Has that issue happened on all PRCs? I've only read of it with the 300.
I've been watching for it on my factory Bergara 300 PRC, but even with my hot loads I've had no issues (yet). I do wonder if factory chambers are a little looser than the reamers used in custom barrels.
 
Ardent said:
Common misconception started in the early days of expanding bullets as they started moving quicker, more lead and SD lead to generally more reliability. The game has changed as bullet construction has advanced dramatically, even in cheap ammo.

As bullet construction has become more consistent and generally better, you’ll usually find better overall effect by choosing mid weight range bullets to find a working balance between velocity and bullet weight. For instance 150s in .308, 140s in 7 mag, 130s in .270.

Like most things, the middle ground is usually best. I’ve guided and personally used a hell of a lot of monos, and have to say I’ve never seen what you mention about rampant bone deflection, even in the lightest of them (110gr .270 for example). The monos actually do better on bone, even the lightest of them.
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PRCs aren't meant to fit the middle of the curve, but in reality we know thats where 98? 99? % of the hunting happens
Extreme Long Range is is where they shine and where the marketing points out the need, unless the 'efficient powder use' or 'reduced felt recoil' factors are enough to keep sales strong
 
toebako said:
The PRC line all has a design flaw and the American shooters are all cleaning up the chambers to fix the issue. Redding dies hates PRC as most issues with dies not working right are because they are PRC’s. A lot of hype over these rifles and I have experienced the issues. If you have one that works it will be amazing. If you have one that has clicking bolt lift, false pressure signs and cases that won’t go into a sizing die, then prepare to be told your stupid and don’t know what your doing by the fans. I wish they would have fixed the issue on the first case and carried it forward to the other two. For me they are the cartridges to avoid now.
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Tell us about your PRC problems ? Factory rifle or custom build ?
Factory ammo or hand loads

I’ve had over 30 PRC custom rifles built in all 3 chamberings and never had an issue with any of the rifles, with factory ammo or handloads.
 
toebako said:
The PRC line all has a design flaw and the American shooters are all cleaning up the chambers to fix the issue. Redding dies hates PRC as most issues with dies not working right are because they are PRC’s. A lot of hype over these rifles and I have experienced the issues. If you have one that works it will be amazing. If you have one that has clicking bolt lift, false pressure signs and cases that won’t go into a sizing die, then prepare to be told your stupid and don’t know what your doing by the fans. I wish they would have fixed the issue on the first case and carried it forward to the other two. For me they are the cartridges to avoid now.
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I have a Tikka T3X in 6.5 PRC and have absolutely no problems resizing either Hornady brass or ADG .Also I have a Custom built Rem M700 also in 6.5 PRC and no problems with it either . I’m using Hornady Dies I also have A Custom built 300 PRC on a WBee MK5 action and also no resizing - loading problems either using Hornady dies .
My new 7 PRC build on a T3X is going to get shot soon . I have a new set of LEE dies I am going to try out . RJ
 
Weatherby Fan said:
Tell us about your PRC problems ? Factory rifle or custom build ?
Factory ammo or hand loads

I’ve had over 30 PRC custom rifles built in all 3 chamberings and never had an issue with any of the rifles, with factory ammo or handloads.
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30? that's like 60k plus in rifles that have been out for how long???...What the heck are you doing mang and how are affording this??? scopes, rings, slings, sooo maybe 120k in rifles... man my first ever 3006 has been bouncing around from the safe to the range, to the field for over 10 years.... do you even keep a rifle long enough to learn what load it likes and to reload for 30 rifles??? man you must be a rich retired guy with no wife or kids...Can i come hang out?
 
OK. My sons Christensen has a sizing issue for reloading. Brass cannot be resized. While searching online I noticed a lot of issues for this but in all fairness redding will fix the dies. We went through all the motions to prove the brass was not too big with the warranty gunsmith for Christensen. Our gun is a redding issue. The clickers are mostly 300 issues but I have read that it can happen with all three.

I think these guns are running the high performance edge like a ferrari. If you can work through a few issues then you have an amazing gun. We have only one issue so we figure we can get it running. I’m not a hater but wish they weren’t so high performance. But this is why I went with a 300WM. Old school and all the bugs are worked out. And my old school gun shoots better and faster than the PRC. That might change once my son starts reloading but for now…
 
brapjack said:
30? that's like 60k plus in rifles that have been out for how long???...What the heck are you doing mang and how are affording this??? scopes, rings, slings, sooo maybe 120k in rifles... man my first ever 3006 has been bouncing around from the safe to the range, to the field for over 10 years.... do you even keep a rifle long enough to learn what load it likes and to reload for 30 rifles??? man you must be a rich retired guy with no wife or kids...Can i come hang out?
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Yeh I know sounds crazy, and yes I do work !

barrels are cheap if you buy them by the dozen !!!! Some rifles I donate to the Wild Sheep Society of BC and shoot a little, mine I usually shoot a lot, my first 7 PRC I have 350 rounds on it, the second one I have 200 rounds through it, It’s my hobby, some people golf, some people fish….. me I’m a rifle junkie !
 
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Over $200 for a 142gr 6.5mm at (claimed) 2900fps, not sure what that brings to the table that is worthwhile.
 
Yes but on the shelf next to it was 308 win for 147.97. All it proves is that we’re being chased out of this hobby by inflation and regulation
 
My jaw hit the floor. Then again look where it is!

But if someone can live without that Accubond LR and Nosler's lacklustre and overpriced brass (in my opinion) they could save about $140 per box lol

htt ps://www.rangeviewsports.ca/product/hornady-precision-hunter-6-5-prc-rifle-ammo-143gr-eld-x-20rds/

Or if they really had to have it...at least save yourself pretty much half the cost!

ht tps://www.eaglefirearms.ca/nosler-trophy-grade-lr-65-prc-142gr-ablr-61232.html

To be blunt, I find buying Nosler ammo to be stupid and buying it at Cambodian Tire even stupiderer. Overpriced ammo. $200 is straight up insane though lol wow. Lots of 6.5 PRC hunting ammo out there for about the same as what I paid for my last box of factory Creedmoor.
 
Love the calibers, are they better than others, within reason... Yes. I got a 6.5prc and it shoots better bullets faster flatter and with better overall ballistics. will those numbers make a world of difference for the average person, not really but why not use every fps and every ftlbs to your advantage.
 
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