Are the Tango down for vert grips worth it?
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gushulak
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I use TD's with the QD system, I had a full size one for awhile but have been using a stubby now and it works great. The size is perfect for indexing your hand along the rail. I use just the base of my hand on the grip so the longer one just doesn't make sense.
Construction is great and you get what you pay for. My first VFG was a Falcon, and the TD's are vastly superior to most grips I've tried out.
Construction is great and you get what you pay for. My first VFG was a Falcon, and the TD's are vastly superior to most grips I've tried out.
There is a guy on another forum I go to, a former marine foreign weapons platform trainer and a guy with a lot of combat time in. Anyway, I remember that he worried - I don't think he'd ever seen it happen but thought about it, anyway - that an aluminum or steel VFG might torque the #### out of a free-floating rail if the rifle hit the ground hard, while a plastic one would probably pop off under the same conditions.
That was just speculation on his part, I'm pretty sure. Still, something to think about.
That was just speculation on his part, I'm pretty sure. Still, something to think about.
TD's have been pounded off with hammers, damaging the rail but leaving the grip usable.
There's hong kong plastics, and then there's high-tech polymers.
One of the advantages to a "plastic" TD or other grip is the lack of heat transfer to your hand.
angryeyebrows
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If you are using a full size TD grip where are you using Velcro?? All full size grips have a removable portion of side to allow pressure pads to fit. They come in two sizes of pad (surefire and insight)...which model do you have? The most common I see in Canada is the surefire one and it utilizes a dove tailed design to hold the switch in without tape or Velcro.
Well, then maybe it's just as much of a problem with some of the plastic ones and you shouldn't get a TD either.
If I am shooting and for one reason or another my gun hits the deck hard on the VFG, I WANT the VFG to pop off. The last thing I want is to tweak the handguard and #### up my point of aim.
So if that's the case, I guess you are best off to go with the hong kong gear...
With that logic, why not go to pop-off barrels as well, just like with ski bindings?
A properly-mounted rail system will not move. Even if it does shift (a little bit, as there are rotation limiting / eliminating systems on the major rails), worst case your BUIS is off until you fix it. So you have to a) smash your VFG so hard it torques the properly-installed rail b) have your 80000-hour reflex sight give up the ghost and c) be forced to continue to fight at ranges where a shifted front sight will make you combat ineffective - all at the same moment in time.
That set of circumstances doesn't come along every day. At least, not in my neighbourhood.
Because if a VFG comes off, I can still shoot?
I agree it is not particularly likely...however the concern has been voiced by someone much more experienced in combat than I will ever be and although his concern was speculative, he still won't run metal VFGs for that reason. If what everyone is saying is true - that the VFGs will break the rail before coming loose - then I would definitely rather have a cheaper VFG.
If all you run on your rails is BUIS then it might not be an issue...however this is not the case for everyone. I have seen plenty of rifles with primary optics on FF handguards and those would be the ones to be most concerned about...you could lose zero on both your primary and backup sighting system which would obviously be a problem, and if that can be corrected by having a non-essential part designed to break before an essential part, then I would say NOT having the non-essential part break away first is just stupid.
Nobody serious puts a primary optic on a ff rail system. They aren't rigid enough for precision shooting, and a primary that far forward is too heavy / unbalanced in any event. Plus the possibility of rotation, as you've identified, says "don't do it".
I agree you see it less these days, however I can still think of a number of rifles set up that way in use by much heavier weight guys than I am. I see it more on Eotech equipped guns than Aimpoints although I can think of a couple of T1 guns I have seen run that way.
And among really hard core users of course you see other sighting devices placed on the rail, like the PEQ-5 lasers etc. Granted at the range anybody is likely to be using those, a small change in POA/POI probably wouldn't make much difference.
Still, I would much rather break a grip than a FF rail.
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The biggest danger to dropping a service rifle is fuxxoring the crown. End of discussion.
angryeyebrows
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Are you sure you have the correct TD version? The SF pad should fit with no Velcro required in the SF version grip. If you had an Insight version the removable panel would be much wider and you would need to Velcro a SF pad in place.
