Are We “Managing Wildlife to Zero” in British Columbia?

It's not just our governments who are mismanaging the resources. It's many of YOU legal, law abiding hunters acting within the rights granted to you via your hunting license.

How many thousands of dollars of gear and hundreds of hours of your time have you wasted searching out your game species?

Do you think that we all could be better off having invested most of that money into buying your own land or improving the land of a family mamber or close friend for wildlife? What about donating to a conservation organizations like your local wildlife fedaration or Ducks Unlimited or Nature Conservancy no matter how small the donation?

What about spending more of your time volunteering in conservation projects directly to acquire, protect and improve habitat needed for the game YOU shoot? Have you just been taking animals from the wild and not doing anything to increase their numbers and health?

Are you willing to pay more for tags and opportunities to hunt if this would ensure better investment in initiatives dedicated towards improving and acquiring habitat needed for wildlife even if sometimes you would not directly benefit?

Personally, I have spent thousands of times what one tag costs to ensure my hunting heritage is protected and I would spend this amount a hundred times over if I could. Would you?

I also never shoot the breeding stock and I avoid shooting immature males that have not had time to reach ###ual maturity.

When populations are low of one species in a particular area I seek out areas that have healthy populations rather than shoot a buck in an area with a low density or compromised population.

And when things get really bad I might not hunt for that species at all. I just enjoy seeing them living rather than dead.

If need be, would you help wildlife through a bad winter with deep snow with supplemental feeding to keep them from starving? What about late season food plots to make sure they have the most nutritious feed going into the long, cold winter?

All these actions are things that YOU can do directly to manage wildlife. You don't need a government to tell you it's legal or illegal to do so. YOU know it's the right thing to do because it will be contributing to the long term sustainability of wildlife into the future, which will ensure YOU and others like you have opportunities to harvest, consume, and enjoy wildlife into perpetuity.

So lets hear about YOUR wildlife success stories.
What have YOU done for wildlife recently besides kill it??
 
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Fire is natures way of renewing the forest, it has gone on this way for millennia, it will recover stronger then ever.

dude..... you have zero clue what you are talking about.
A case in point is the massive fires north of kamloops BC some years ago that nearly destroyed the town of Barrier , BC. You can use google.
Now, that fire burned so hot that the ground is simply destroyed. Estimates by real live actual biologists...... say that it will take a century for that habitat to return to what it was.
So , yes, in a way you are correct, fire is the great rejuvinator of the earth..... when it is a naturally burning fire, composed of naturally occuring fuels. Now, enter modern day forest practices with blocks upon blocks of premium fuel and modern day fire fighting practices such as the infamous "back burn" ...... and one quickly comes to understand how the fires get unnaturally hot and hot enough to simply scorch the earth to a point where it will take a century for nature to repair itself and the ground able to once again support the 10's of thousands, if not millions of birds, insect and mammals that once thrived there. I'm gonna guess based on information I have personally received from forestry professionals surveying the damage.... that 40% of the habitat burned by the elephant hill wildfire will be "non recoverable by human effort" and will take a century or more to recover if it does not revert to desertification like many experts here feel it will.
It's a catastrophe to BC's interior habitat and I'm really surprised there is not a whole lot more discussion going on.
 
Everything you said there is wrong.
No way baiting destroyed a deer herd, other than possibly though transmission of CWD.

Nothing wrong with hunting over bait. You don't have to take part if you don't want to, but blaming that as the problem is just plain wrong. And blanket statements like that are pathetic



Alot of areas dont even allow baiting for Bear.


This is NOT fair chase, learn how to hunt...

I do not think Outfitters should be profitting from baiting deer.

They place baits all over Crown land leaving very few areas for other hunters.
 
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This is NOT fair chase, learn how to hunt...
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sorry your so narrow minded and are that much better than the rest of us. I won't waste my time any longer arguing with someone with such a closed minded opinion. Most of us know your 100% wrong, but you go on believing what you want. It your choice to be ignorant if you choose, far be it from me to try to educate you.
 
After the Mt. St Helens eruption they sad it would take 'hundreds of years' for the land to regenerate.....next spring there were green shoots coming up.Fire is a natural phenomina and a vital part of regeneration.Old burns are productive places for wildlife
 
It's not just our governments who are mismanaging the resources. It's many of YOU legal, law abiding hunters acting within the rights granted to you via your hunting license.

How many thousands of dollars of gear and hundreds of hours of your time have you wasted searching out your game species?

Do you think that we all could be better off having invested most of that money into buying your own land or improving the land of a family mamber or close friend for wildlife? What about donating to a conservation organizations like your local wildlife fedaration or Ducks Unlimited or Nature Conservancy no matter how small the donation?

What about spending more of your time volunteering in conservation projects directly to acquire, protect and improve habitat needed for the game YOU shoot? Have you just been taking animals from the wild and not doing anything to increase their numbers and health?

Are you willing to pay more for tags and opportunities to hunt if this would ensure better investment in initiatives dedicated towards improving and acquiring habitat needed for wildlife even if sometimes you would not directly benefit?

Personally, I have spent thousands of times what one tag costs to ensure my hunting heritage is protected and I would spend this amount a hundred times over if I could. Would you?

I also never shoot the breeding stock and I avoid shooting immature males that have not had time to reach ###ual maturity.

When populations are low of one species in a particular area I seek out areas that have healthy populations rather than shoot a buck in an area with a low density or compromised population.

And when things get really bad I might not hunt for that species at all. I just enjoy seeing them living rather than dead.

If need be, would you help wildlife through a bad winter with deep snow with supplemental feeding to keep them from starving? What about late season food plots to make sure they have the most nutritious feed going into the long, cold winter?

All these actions are things that YOU can do directly to manage wildlife. You don't need a government to tell you it's legal or illegal to do so. YOU know it's the right thing to do because it will be contributing to the long term sustainability of wildlife into the future, which will ensure YOU and others like you have opportunities to harvest, consume, and enjoy wildlife into perpetuity.

So lets hear about YOUR wildlife success stories.
What have YOU done for wildlife recently besides kill it??

I own and operate a mixed grain and cattle operation. Wildlife loves me.
 
dude..... you have zero clue what you are talking about.
A case in point is the massive fires north of kamloops BC some years ago that nearly destroyed the town of Barrier , BC. You can use google.
Now, that fire burned so hot that the ground is simply destroyed. Estimates by real live actual biologists...... say that it will take a century for that habitat to return to what it was.
So , yes, in a way you are correct, fire is the great rejuvinator of the earth..... when it is a naturally burning fire, composed of naturally occuring fuels. Now, enter modern day forest practices with blocks upon blocks of premium fuel and modern day fire fighting practices such as the infamous "back burn" ...... and one quickly comes to understand how the fires get unnaturally hot and hot enough to simply scorch the earth to a point where it will take a century for nature to repair itself and the ground able to once again support the 10's of thousands, if not millions of birds, insect and mammals that once thrived there. I'm gonna guess based on information I have personally received from forestry professionals surveying the damage.... that 40% of the habitat burned by the elephant hill wildfire will be "non recoverable by human effort" and will take a century or more to recover if it does not revert to desertification like many experts here feel it will.
It's a catastrophe to BC's interior habitat and I'm really surprised there is not a whole lot more discussion going on.

When it comes to the time it takes to regenerate to it's former state, pine forests take 70 to 80 yrs to reach maturity so a century to completely regenerate is not unnatural. It would be interesting for sure to see what the area looks like in 5-10 yrs. I guess one thing is certain there is nothing to be done but wait and see.
 
what I see affecting game populations in british columbia specifically is not being caused by hunters , and by hunters I include anyone killing an animal by the method of "hunting" , be they licensed hunters, indigenous hunters or straight up poachers. By and large I do not see these groups as being the cause of the decline of ungulate numbers in British Columbia. I will say the exact same thing for fisheries as they pertain to British Columbia.

I have fished the rivers and oceans of this province , been to all the must go to steelhead rivers can be proud to have caught a 73pound wild , river run chinook salmon in my lifetime, a 58 pound ocean run chinook.... a 28 pound ocean run coho salmon...... a 26 pound wild river run steelhead.......
but these things all happened before 2005. That year is when I really started to see change ..... I don't mean that slow change, I mean rapid industrialization of British Columbia. We started shipping raw logs out of province and the clear cuts replanted with preferred plant matter and no regard for replacing ungulate browse. In so many areas in the interior I find invasive species, have replaced entire willow patches and these shrubs that grow aren't even food for deer.....
Every river in this province has all but been destroyed as fish habitat by siltation from logging, mining and the fish farms that have industrialized our west coast have poisoned the waters for what salmon and steelhead do manage to survive thier river environment.
Our governments are mismanaging our entire ecosystem and have been for decades. I don't see any way of improving the situation personally other than by way of massive sweeping changes to forest practices, mining practices, gas exploration practices, agriculture practices..... hmmmm I could go on LOL

It's sad but it's true and as long as we keep going down the road we are going, hunting will be a thing of the past and so will the governments concern over animal popualtions. Habitat is the key and nothing else really matters, be it on land or in the ocean/rivers.

that elephant hill wildfire that happened this past summer and came uncomfortably close to burning us out....... That fire could have and should have been stopped in an all out assault before it even reached the Loon Lake plateau. They let it burn.
What they did in allowing that fire to burn all the way north from ashcroft to sheridan lake and 8km from my doorstep...... is allow fire to destroy essential ungulate and predator wintering grounds. The Illahee meadows is destroyed....... this is so devastating to ungulate wintering habitat that I expect we will see the effects in those regions for the rest of my lifetime. I drove thru the entire area, took a couple days and I came to realize it will never be the same , nor will it support the thousands of animals it did over winters. It simply will not recover in my lifetime...... what was it .... over 200,000 hectares of prime habitat burnt to ash....

anyhow, I'm rambling on.... LOL

I haven't hunted in 25 years and if I wanted to go where I used to I couldn't because it 3000 houses now.
 
I haven't hunted in 25 years and if I wanted to go where I used to I couldn't because it 3000 houses now.

being able to hunt the area burned is not the concern. The concern is the loss of essential habitat.
In BC interior, there has historically been a migration of mule deer that culminates in the elephant hill/bonaparte plateau area. This natural gathering up of deer from all regions far and wide is what maintains the genetic diversity in the mule deer herds. This is but one migration in the province.
The next problem is that these are naturally grassland type environments, with soils that do not recover well from fires, except to grow more grass. Trees will take years before they even are able to grow in ground burnt that hot, that deep.
Like I said, google the barrier fire and go look at the google earth shots of the massive area scorched so bad , they can't even plant new trees on the land. Nature has to do it's thing for decades building new soil and improving base nutrient and PH levels to support healthy coniferous growth.
I'm not a forestry guy, nor am i a botanist .... but I know some guys who make darn good livings making decisions in the forestry industry and these are the things they are telling me about these particular fires due to how hot they actually got.

The next problem is the ever increasing desertification in the BC interior and in fact extending right down thru to california. But let's talk about BC. If the land around the elephant hill and the mound and the intrusion of the fire north thru chasm/pressy lake ect does not heal by human effort, it will absolutely revert to desert soils.

educate yourselves as this area of BC is going to need hunter involvement to rehabilitate so find a way to volunteer.... and if yer rich.... donate some cash thru your game club or sheep foundation ect.
 
I live just a bit north of barrier...the fire was a boom for wildlife. Mule deer and moose and thier complementary predator soon afterward. The 03 fire season seen federal government money for tree planting. Contracts were put out for surveys in the Barrier fire to know where planting was needed. Natural regeneration was so prolific there was no place to plant. No way to spend the money.
I work as forestry tech in the north Thompson valley.
 
I live just a bit north of barrier...the fire was a boom for wildlife. Mule deer and moose and thier complementary predator soon afterward. The 03 fire season seen federal government money for tree planting. Contracts were put out for surveys in the Barrier fire to know where planting was needed. Natural regeneration was so prolific there was no place to plant. No way to spend the money.
I work as forestry tech in the north Thompson valley.

The fires around here - especially on the Chilcotin Plateau - had so much fuel, and burned with such intensity the topsoil is pretty well gone with mst organic matter burnt. The forest service will be doing close analysis in the spring but for now erosion and silting of waterways will be a major concern for many years. A lot of very intelligent people working in the industry are really worried right now.
 
I live just a bit north of barrier...the fire was a boom for wildlife. Mule deer and moose and thier complementary predator soon afterward. The 03 fire season seen federal government money for tree planting. Contracts were put out for surveys in the Barrier fire to know where planting was needed. Natural regeneration was so prolific there was no place to plant. No way to spend the money.
I work as forestry tech in the north Thompson valley.

cool.... my best friend son is one of BC's top forest techs.... maybe one day you might work for him.
I'm just outside 100 mile and spent my entire summer on evac alert orders. I drive thru Barrier regularly and I wonder where are these trees you speak of? For kilometers of hwy from valley floor to mountain peak, the forests are gone. Sure, plants are growing that will one day build the soil back up enough to support a balanced ecosytem but that is not happening in our lifetimes , not even at the Barrier fire location. Fringe areas that didn't see the heat in the ground will come back fast and is healthy for the land.
The elephant hill fire ...... like Boo mentions...... folks are very worried and for good reason.
 
cool.... my best friend son is one of BC's top forest techs.... maybe one day you might work for him.
I'm just outside 100 mile and spent my entire summer on evac alert orders. I drive thru Barrier regularly and I wonder where are these trees you speak of? For kilometers of hwy from valley floor to mountain peak, the forests are gone. Sure, plants are growing that will one day build the soil back up enough to support a balanced ecosytem but that is not happening in our lifetimes , not even at the Barrier fire location. Fringe areas that didn't see the heat in the ground will come back fast and is healthy for the land.
The elephant hill fire ...... like Boo mentions...... folks are very worried and for good reason.
guess you can't see the forest for all the trees...
 
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