Are you/will you be a T97 owner?
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mildcustom2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Surrey, B.C.
Simple truth is North Sylva as usual pushed these forward in a huge rush to get your dollars unlike CanAm who waited to see what everyone's complaints were about the the T97NSR and are redesigning it based on everyone's feedback here on the forum. Don't believe me that North Sylva rushes things then go ask all the M37 and M3HB guys where their guns are that they've been waiting for coming up to a year soon and still no FRT number. Now people aren't happy with the T97NSR and there's numerous problems being reported.
I personally look forward to what CanAm brings out for sale on the market then people will have something to rave about.
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The rifle that inspired the development of all modern Bull Pup rifles today was the EM2 which was briefly adapted by the UK and for which prototypes were manufactured in England and Canada. The decision to adapt this rifle was rescinded by Churchill when he again became the Prime Minister in the UK in 1952. The development of this rifle is very interesting from both the inspiration of the design and the resulting trials of it, since the issues such as heavy trigger pull still occur with modern Bull Pups, with T97 being considerably better than the majority of Bull Pups in this regard. One of the influences of using the Bull Pup layout in the development of the EM2 was a Chinese firearm produced in the 15th century, so the QBZ-95 was not the first Chinese Bull Pup! I understand why people do not like Bull Pups, because change is always difficult, however the T97 is I believe a very well designed firearm, also "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" which is very apparent from some of the comments about the T97. The book EM-2 Concept & Design by Thomas B Dugelly from Collector Grade Publications gives a detailed history of the development of the EM2.
Certain rifles have trouble running certain mags, there is no feed ramps built in, barrel has an enourmous mechanical offset mixed with limited optic mounting solution, the mag release is not ambi like it has been in all quality bullpups since the 70s with the aug, it is a well designed rifle? Really?
The reason people are buying these up like hotcakes is that most people look at it and say ooh bullpup so cool and the closest bullpup in price is 2100(tavor from irunguns) and the closest non res bullpup is 2500(rfb). People are buying these up because there is nothing in its class that is price competitive. As in read before it is cheap so people will buy it.
No most of the stuff at work is definitely not chinese, Our tooling is usually either in house or from approved vendors from two top tier gas turbine manufacturers
As for home can't be helped, I didn't buy most of these, The kitchen knives are japanese ceramic knives, Don't know where my xbox is from probably phillipines or something. Pretty sure my dell was made in the pacific rim somewhere, no biggie, my next computer will be a custom build so I will look closer on where the parts are coming from.
My headsets I found out were made in china, I'm ditching them for german made sennheisers.
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Jack Brock
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x2 one a type 97A and 97 nsr
I have stuff made in China. Tolerance-critical machines on which I would depend in extreme circumstances I prefer to be manufactured by people with a history of doing things correctly, or else be machines with components that I am so intimately familiar with that I can inspect, evaluate, alter and replace as necessary. That pretty much limits it to machines designed in the first world and copied in China, so I can compare the respective manufacturers and troubleshoot and handle the abysmal Chinese QC stuff myself.
This is the first designed-in-China made-in-China gun I've ever seen. I'd say it doesn't fill me with confidence, but actually it does. I now feel confident that China will not be taking over the world in my lifetime.
This is the first designed-in-China made-in-China gun I've ever seen. I'd say it doesn't fill me with confidence, but actually it does. I now feel confident that China will not be taking over the world in my lifetime.
The reason why I've shut up about how awesome I find my T97 is because of people who ##### about buying stuff in China, #####ing about the firearm without having fired it. I don't mind the fact the gun doesn't have an ambi mag release, I reach around, grab the mag and press the release with my left hand. I don't mind the safety, I rarely use the safety on the range. Would I prefer if the safety was at the trigger guard? sure...but does it really matter? not at all.
Ok, I did. It was cr@p. Now what, boy?
Terrible ergos, trigger, bore sight radius, (looks silly)...
Tried it. Junk.
You are supposed to point the loud end towards the target.
I call bollocks. If you had tried one, you would have posted how it actually shoots instead of a juvenile attempt at an insult.
People like you bring this sport down and hurt everyone.
Flame away, "boy".
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You are supposed to point the loud end towards the target.
I call bollocks. If you had tried one, you would have posted how it actually shoots instead of a juvenile attempt at an insult.
People like you bring this sport down and hurt everyone.
Flame away, "boy".
Ok, please read my post as I have shot and "used" one.
Butthurt much since I don't like your $1k pos?
Waaaaa.
I won't be buying a t97 (anytime soon anyways) but not because all if this china crap stuff. I had a norc M305 that worked really well in stock form, was an awesome and really cool rifle. For me it's. Mostly a financial thing right now. 1000$ is a lot of money for me and I just bought an XCR haha so I'm not buying anything for awhile.
Who knows though, maybe next time I'm at the range Ill ask to test fire a t97 (cool perk at my range
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Who knows though, maybe next time I'm at the range Ill ask to test fire a t97 (cool perk at my range
)Childish rants railing about what he doesn't like and won't buy, then insulting others for their preferences is hardly productive or elevating the sport to new heights.
I can just imagine someone like that running on and on when he sees a T97 or some other firearm he doesn't like: that's just the thing nobody needs to hear.
I've seen people with certain firearms that just elicit "WTF" in my mind but these guys like them. It is not my business to go out of my way to pi$$ on their parade: I support them wholeheartedly.
It is bad enough to have to deal with anti-firearms people: we don't need any silly, wasteful dischord in our ranks.
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thebutcher
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- Calgary, Alberta
I'm a lefty and have gone back and forth about the t97, I traded put a rifle up for sale and a guy made me an offer I couldn' had a hard time refusing. I got a t97 out of it. I figure I will tinker with it and see what can be done for the lefties. there has got to be some kind of shell deflector that will work for us. If not, then onto the EE it goes. might as well try before I say no wholeheartedly.
Well now you've caught me interest.. I look forward to seeing what you might be able to come up with.
