Are you/will you be a T97 owner?
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Personally, I'm worried about reclassification - but also having a large community of owners lends itself to more of an ecosystem for parts, aftermarket mods, community driven tech support and problem resolution.
I love it that new rifles are entering the system but the T97 is just too fugly for me. BUT on the other hand, if it goes BANG, I'll shoot it.
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I think for my first bullpup experience, I would rather save up the money for a Tavor now and start on a proven platform. Rather than buying a bullpup that I can afford now, that may make me hate the bullpup platform. (From everything I've read about the ergos of the T97)
That being said, I think someone who is out for pure value for money could consider this a great purchase.
That being said, I think someone who is out for pure value for money could consider this a great purchase.
Given that the majority of T97's at this point have been purchased from a small number of retail dealers who bought from a single importer, a defacto registry of T97 owners already exists.
All the RCMP have to do is get a warrant to get the sales ledger from North Sylvia for the dealers who purchased from them, then get a warrant for the sales ledger from all those businesses of the owners who bought from them. They could then hire an analyst like me, who in 20 minutes could build up a fully detailed ledger of who owns what, when they bought it, how they paid for it, and the date they took delivery of it.
The old LGR was really nothing more than an excuse by the government to give hundreds of millions of dollars to CGI - a lot of well connected folks in Ottawa are really good buddies with them - and it was never a viable threat for wholesale confiscations of the firearms contained therein.
If you can log on to the the website of any of the dealers you bought your guns from and view a detailed history of your transactions - so can the RCMP. This is the information age - the government doesn't need to aggregate information in a centralized data store that they manage to know exactly who has what. "We" (and by "we" I mean the government) are also waging a war on terror - so they already have much of the infrastructure in place to be able to keep the public safe from potential terrorists (you and me).
That being said - the only deterrent from the government coming after people is realizing that thousands of potentially uncooperative businesses or individuals may or may not have them, and the amount of effort needed for them to go after them individually is more than they have resources to commit to.
Of course, once large numbers of T97's start showing up on the EE, that cat's out of the bag and there's nothing the government can do - if anything, T97's on the EE ought to carry a hefty premium for the insurance the sale guarantees the buyer of NOT being on an easily traceable ledger that the government can very quickly and easily retrieve.
On another note - unless you've put your address in your profile and user settings, the RCMP would basically have to get a warrant and serve it to GreenTips a warrant to seize his servers. The problem is that would likely cause outages on CGN and most certainly word of mouth about such shenanigans would spread even if CGN didn't go down. It would be an absolute PR nightmare for the RC's and the government if a website with over 100,000 active subscribers was raided to go after a handful of of lippy internet mall Ninja's.
Even the main stream media (who is in the government's pocket already) would go ballistic on them for doing so, as the sites like CGN are effectively the new media - it would set a clear precedent that the government is clamping down on the most revered constitutional right (especially by the main stream media): Section 2(b) of the Charter of Rights and Freedom - the "freedom of the press and other media of communication;"
In other words - there's safety in numbers.
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Oh, and I will probably be a 4 banger when CanAm brings in the NRR - although out of principle, I might buy and flip the way I did most of my 858's. I've bought and sold 10 858's in the past 5 years - I have no record of who I sold them to - electronic or otherwise.
Several of those transactions were in person or over the phone, paid in cash, all old registration certificates destroyed, done with visual validation of the buyer's PAL.
Several of those transactions were in person or over the phone, paid in cash, all old registration certificates destroyed, done with visual validation of the buyer's PAL.
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I'm a no. I've only held a couple of bullpups and they just feel weird to me. I'd like to try them a little more to see if I can get used to them but I'm not interested in spending $1000+ on a rifle to find out I really don't like them.
I have been on the fence but am also in no rush. I put myself on the Can Am pre order but time and further reading and testing from other members will help with my decision. Im a Bullpup fanatic at heart and already have pretty much all of them available to us here in Canada so it just seems like I should have one.
I may buy one some day, I am not fond of that high carry handle and high front site, the non restricted factor does nothing for me since I pretty much only shoot at ranges these days. It is nice to see such a rifle being non restricted and I definitely hope it stays that way, the antis are likely cringing and loosing a lot of sleep over this one lol 
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This will be my second one as I had a type 97A and sold it to a sporting good store and shortly there after the arm was confiscated as prohib. My photo of it is used by Can Ammo. It will be interesting to see what changes were made. My original one (97A) had a scope with green reticles and a sling. I remember posting pictures of my groups in Gun Nutz and they were what I could achieve with an AR with open sights at 100m.
Also, a lot of new web search engine technology is emerging that employs very sophisticated fuzzy logic, concurrence, frequency, and association algorithms to parse public domain data and come up with metadata analytic's that can build phenomenally accurate profiles of a people (or more accurately, subjects) based on their web behavior.
Google employs some of this technology - but there is MUCH more sophisticated tool sets out there employed by businesses and governments to do trend analysis and profiling.
If you've posted in this thread, for example, that would automatically increase the likelihood that you could be flagged as a T97 owner, regardless of whether or not you are. Google page rank works this way.
Back to the original point - I think there's no point hiding it. The government already knows.
The key thing though, is, there is safety in numbers.
Or alternatively, you can simply refuse to use the internet for ANYTHING (including not using credit or debit cards for anything - as most electronic transactions are done via the net).
