Are you/will you be a T97 owner?
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The quality is decent, the price is ok. I don't like the poorly designed ergonomics (mag release and safety). I don't like the 1980's carry handle or inability to mount common optics. Not a fan of the iron sights on this rifle either. But yes I do still like it. Frankly I think it's a nice looking rifle. Glad to have it in my collection. But... I'm being realistic here. Rifles I'm more likely to actually shoot frequently are my AR rifles, Tavor, CZ858. The T97 will be a fun novelty and a nice part to my collection. Again I do actually like the T97. If trimming that collection the T97 would go before those others mentioned. That being said it's a smart move by companies as it fits the right niche in the Canadian firearms market.
This isn't my first bullpup rifle.
Your talking about the T97 as a novelty as it sits beside a PS90?
mildcustom2
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The T97 is a novelty. It means every broke @$$ gun nut can afford to buy it and shoot it with cheaper ammo. It's not made to be the creme de la creme of bullpups. Just allow people who generally can't afford to get into bullpups able to buy one and shoot it.
I still hate it. Ugly, poor ergonomics, crappy control location and its not ambidextrous.
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Being affordable isn't a quality that makes something a novelty, at all. I already had a Tavor and will be getting the T97 this week after the last payment is made and I will decide for myself. What exactly differentiates this from the crem de la creme? We have what, 4 bullpups in Canada? Sure mag release sucks, this will be alleviated with an aftermarket part. Safety location is awful, but not a gun breaker. I personally dont care that its not ambi so thats not a factor for me, and lastly I dont mind the looks of the gun at all.
mildcustom2
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We have the
Tavor
PS90
FS2000
T97
RFB
Tangfolio Apeal
It's already been stated by many the Tavor is a superior bullpup compared to the T97. The FS2000 and PS90 are excellent high quality bullpups that many can't afford to buy or to shoot and are not readily available like the Tavor. The RFB is in a class all of its own cause it comes in man sized caliber. The Tangfolio is a 22LR and isn't fair to compare.
The T97 has lots of cons with the only pros being cheap and shoots inexpensive ammo. It's a novelty cause its intended for a lower end market all of its own. Kinda like wanting a Corvette but buying a Fiero cause its what you can afford but it lacks the performance of the real deal.
Novelty sure but I'm starting to think of it as a poser.
Where are the facts that the T97 is an under performer? What we have here are assumptions. The PS90 is the biggest novelty of them. Ammo is scarce and magazines (from what I know) are as well. Its a niche calibre in this country.
Tavor is superior? Maybe, but how? Just stating its superior is a cop out. I paid $950 for my T97 all in new. Tavor new would cost me 3K. If I bought it used, maybe $2500. Still almost or more than 3x the price. For 99% of what we use these guns for here in Canada I believe the T97 will do everything the Tavor does and with a (reportedly) better trigger. Out of the list you gave it really comes down to the Tavor, FS200 and T97 (calibre similarity) I personally like how much more slim the T97 is in comparison to the Tavor/FS200.
And now you call it a poser? Jeez I really don't know what to say to that. Let me ask you this, which rifle was created first, the T97 or the Tavor/FS200? With that in mind, how can you call it a poser? Bad choice of words IMO.
Most of the gripes here are merely ergonomic centered, which as you should all know by now can be overcome with some modification. If you look, two guys have already successfully made mods to their rifle to achieve ambi mag release ability.
If I got my hands on one of these T97s I'd have a hay day designing mods on my weekends! Actually if someone could do me a favor, could you check to see if the plastic bit of the charging handle is held in place with a rivet or with a pin?
Furthermore can someone tell me how long the upper and lower are? Also, are the front and rear sights removable, and Is the trigger group removable or is it fixed within the lower?
Almost forgot to ask, is the grip hollow or solid, are there any moving parts within it?
Thanks.
If I got my hands on one of these T97s I'd have a hay day designing mods on my weekends! Actually if someone could do me a favor, could you check to see if the plastic bit of the charging handle is held in place with a rivet or with a pin?
Furthermore can someone tell me how long the upper and lower are? Also, are the front and rear sights removable, and Is the trigger group removable or is it fixed within the lower?
Almost forgot to ask, is the grip hollow or solid, are there any moving parts within it?
Thanks.
I hadnt heard of the Tangfolio Appeal until now. Thanks for pointing that out!
https://www.freedomventures.ca/products/tanfoglio-appeal
Yes but it rocks. The ergos are excellent. It's one of the best bullpup firearms I've shot. It also breaks down into two equal pieces. The ammo is expensive here and hard to find. The mag limit in Canada ruins the 50 round capacity. It's a far more advanced firearm than the T97. Also there is pretty much no recoil. A true delight to shoot.
The T97 is circa 1978 (Steyr Aug). The slimness is nice with it. It looks cool and takes AR mags. Even with an ambi mag release the only way you will be able to speed up mag changes is to use an AK style by activating the release with the new mag. You still won't be as fast as an AR or the Tavor. The safety, well it's lame. The G version fixes this. But the ultimate issue? The 1960's carry handle and inability to mount optics at the right height without aftermarket rails (Make everything too high). That right there is the main issue. Without a lot of work on our part it's hard to overcome.
With the Tavor I had to battle a lot of people on here with the old bullpup preconceptions. The Tavor gets rid of most of those previous issues. The T97 doesn't. The reality is the success of the T97 may be more in part to it's price and the fact the Tavor has been such a hit. But you aren't getting a Tavor.
I'll be keeping mine. I'll have fun with it. It's decent value for a black rifle bullpup. But there are a lot of tradeoffs.
Guys, all these guns are novelty items, many of us were around for one $1000.00 Augs, $450.00 Fns, $600.00 HK-91s and modified HK94s which looked like MP5s, the masses never wanted any part of it because a Colt SP1 or a SGW AR were Non Restricted... AR becomes Non Restricted tomorrow, the entire exotic gun market (work arounds) are done. Until then I will enjoy them...####ty mag releases or not.
Yup. That being said I'd still collect them. But yes if the AR rifles were non restricted most people wouldn't bother with these other firearms. The anti firearms people hit us hard with the "non sporting purpose" as they originally prohibited the AR and then after a fight it was restricted. They managed to restrict the sporting rifle. For the Fudd's it would be the equivalent of restricting anything based on a mauser action and claiming it doesn't have any sporting uses as it was designed as a military firearm. Real hunters should be using muskets!!, or bows, or spears, or rocks.... or not hunting at all which is the natural desired outcome based on their argument. I would like nothing more than to have the AR rifles returned to non restricted status. Unfortunately I don't see the political climate being right for that.
The quality is decent, the price is ok. I don't like the poorly designed ergonomics (mag release and safety). I don't like the 1980's carry handle or inability to mount common optics. Not a fan of the iron sights on this rifle either. But yes I do still like it. Frankly I think it's a nice looking rifle. Glad to have it in my collection. But... I'm being realistic here. Rifles I'm more likely to actually shoot frequently are my AR rifles, Tavor, CZ858. The T97 will be a fun novelty and a nice part to my collection. Again I do actually like the T97. If trimming that collection the T97 would go before those others mentioned. That being said it's a smart move by companies as it fits the right niche in the Canadian firearms market.
This isn't my first bullpup rifle.
Beautiful collection of bullpups. Now how about spending a few bucks on a decent camera.
Beautiful collection of bullpups. Now how about spending a few bucks on a decent camera.
lol, I'm glad someone else said it, I used up my quota of jerk comments for the week on thursday...
ChromeArty
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- Sunshine Coast (PR)
Aside from the fact that I love my Tavor, this is probably going to be the poster rifle for gun control with the next Government. So... I guess enjoy it while it lasts.
and thats my main reason for wanting one of these god awful looking guns. its like a train wreck. its so ugly, you just cant look away.
Runningfool
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- SW Ontario
And this is encouraging how exactly?
So this rifle that has been in your hands for about one week is somehow confirmation of some sort of trend of superior Chinese work ethic? Then you try to make comparisons to Chinese food, with the Canadian menu and the "real" menu somehow being related to the Canadian T97?
You like your Chinese bullpup and that's just dandy, but forgive me if I don't join you in swearing allegiance to our future Chinese overlords!
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The "real Chinese" food is just as appalling as the American style. Steamed meat, fried chicken feet, rice wrapped in tobacco leaves....at least that's what it tasted like. The msg soaked garbage covered in flavoured slime is just as horrible...point is, China sucks lol
lolthe "real chinese" food is just as appalling as the american style. Steamed meat, fried chicken feet, rice wrapped in tobacco leaves....at least that's what it tasted like. The msg soaked garbage covered in flavoured slime is just as horrible...point is, china sucks
lol
