Arguing with a BC CO in the butcher shop..... hmmmmmm

[Outcast]

I don't disagree that you should stand up for yourself if you are in the the right, but do you need to be a d!ck and immediately confrontational about the situation? And Outcast, I hope you treated everyone with the same leniency when they told you to fu@k off because you made a simple mistake in your years of policing.

Knowing your job and the basic elements of an offence and your authority to search and seize is the absolute basics in law enforcement. I would like to think knowing what game limits for a particular region are in effect should be known. They are basing their decisions on the same synopsis every other person has to read and re-read to be in compliance, not to mention having lawyers at their disposal for clarification on all kinds of issues. Ones tact may very well set the tone for the encounter, but come on, it's his fricken job to know this sh!t. I'm so tired of guys doing stuff when they have little understanding of their authority to act. From day one until present if I don't have grounds to act, I don't. Some times you win, some times you lose. Newbies have a real difficult time grasping that concept. The whole us vs. Them attitude in law enforcement is seriously starting to get old. Not everyone is riding dirty.

 

[45ACPKING]

Enjoy the random internets pats on the backs for the story you told.

you take yourself way too seriously bud.... how bout get lost ?

my thread was not meant to stir up hatred for CO's and LEO's and i don't come to cgn for pats on the back.

I have zero patience for those folks out there who choose to be the ones that are there to "uphold and enforce" the laws in this country be they bylaws, hunting laws, fishing laws, ect ect ect .... who try and enforce things that aren't the law.

you aren't even from BC yet you are here trolling and being a mouthpiece to pad your post count.
BC just made sweeping and restrictive changes to Mule deer harvest and I took the time to educate myself on what those regs detail. For a CO in my region of the BC interior to see my documentation on the Butchers sheet and seeing Region 2 and region 5 he should immediately know without a shadow of a doubt that i was legal. Yet he chose to get in my face over a non issue. Yer goddamn rights I'll stand up for myself.
got a problem with that?

btw.... it's 9pm..... no CO's have arrived and damn that blacktail tenderloin with a little butter, salt n pepper, pan seared to perfection........ mmmmmmm

 

[doublelung]

Knowing your job and the basic elements of an offence and your authority to search and seize is the absolute basics in law enforcement. I would like to think knowing what game limits for a particular region are in effect should be known. They are basing their decisions on the same synopsis every other person has to read and re-read to be in compliance, not to mention having lawyers at their disposal for clarification on all kinds of issues. Ones tact may very well set the tone for the encounter, but come on, it's his fricken job to know this sh!t. I'm so tired of guys doing stuff when they have little understanding of their authority to act. From day one until present if I don't have grounds to act, I don't. Some times you win, some times you lose. Newbies have a real difficult time grasping that concept. The whole us vs. Them attitude in law enforcement is seriously starting to get old. Not everyone is riding dirty.

Hey I get it man.. but the hey little pissant, clean uniform, fack off attitude gets pretty old fast too... I've been doing the job for 23 years, if I make a mistake while dealing with someone I'll own it. I have no issue with that, I will also never look for anything extra or dig for stuff on a normal guy just trying to live his life... But the fack you off the bat attitude is kinda lame.

 

[doublelung]

you take yourself way too seriously bud.... how bout get lost ?

my thread was not meant to stir up hatred for CO's and LEO's and i don't come to cgn for pats on the back.

I have zero patience for those folks out there who choose to be the ones that are there to "uphold and enforce" the laws in this country be they bylaws, hunting laws, fishing laws, ect ect ect .... who try and enforce things that aren't the law.

you aren't even from BC yet you are here trolling and being a mouthpiece to pad your post count.
BC just made sweeping and restrictive changes to Mule deer harvest and I took the time to educate myself on what those regs detail. For a CO in my region of the BC interior to see my documentation on the Butchers sheet and seeing Region 2 and region 5 he should immediately know without a shadow of a doubt that i was legal. Yet he chose to get in my face over a non issue. Yer goddamn rights I'll stand up for myself.
got a problem with that?

btw.... it's 9pm..... no CO's have arrived and damn that blacktail tenderloin with a little butter, salt n pepper, pan seared to perfection........ mmmmmmm

How about you calm down bud...

You started a thread so don't get all butthurt if someone replies in a way that doesn't stroke your ego. Disagreeing is not trolling.

 

[Trimmer 905]

I bet you two would have not been pleased with his actions either, had it been you. I would also bet you two would have done a better job then this guy as well. He probably should have known the regulations before he started in on him.

It's easy to spot the "rookies" that are trying to make a name for themselves. Fools rush in...........

I remember I had a guy at the range who identified himself as a off-duty police officer tell me that my barrel shroud on my NR Scorpion EVO was a suppressor and therefore a prohibited device. I straight up told him to f off and explained to him what a barrel shroud was. Boy did his face turn red. I hadn't laughed that hard in a while.

I have an old JCHiggins Mod 20 Skeet 12 ga that has a vented screw-in choke system that belonged to my Dad that I love to use for upland. I had a Durham Regional Police Constable argue it was a suppressor,tried to seize the gun and threatened to arrest me for possession of a prohibited device. I said "OK,if you think you're correct,here's the gun. Now,let's go and talk to your Sergeant." He stopped cold in his tracks,called his office,got shyte for being an idiot all in the course of 3 minutes. He was told to apologize (which he did with a red face) and left. I also hunt in a WMU that specifies we may only use shotguns and no dogs for the 2 week deer gun hunt. At least once a year after the gun hunt closes,I run into cops when coyote hunting that try to tell us that rifles aren't allowed because it's a "shotgun only" area. Again,we point to the Ontario FWCAct which specifies we may use a rifle of .275 or less for small game in proscribed municipalities to which they usually reply "It's in the by-laws." We all carry copies of each firearms by-law for the township/regional municipality we happen to be hunting in along with permission slips from landowners. None of the by-laws specify which firearm to use,all defaulting to provincial legislation. We hand them the copy,sit down on the tailgate and say "Here you go. Have a read. We'll wait." It works every time,but,these people never seem to learn.

 

[macaufoto]

know your game and rules. good job!!

 

[shawn]

Seems to be a lot of freetards out lately, must be a full moon or something

There are two sides to every story, and rarely is the truth either of them

Shawn

 

[crash277]

Seems to be a lot of freetards out lately, must be a full moon or something

There are two sides to every story, and rarely is the truth either of them

Shawn

sounds like something ive heard before...

there are three sides to any story. yours, mine, and the truth...

 

[45ACPKING]

How about you calm down bud...

You started a thread so don't get all butthurt if someone replies in a way that doesn't stroke your ego. Disagreeing is not trolling.

but my question to you is.... why would you disagree ? If you have been doing the job 23 years.... would you let a junior officer pull that crap on a hunter picking up his meat? Would you ride with a rookie who didn't know his ass froma hole in the ground with an attitude to go with it?

I'm not butthurt I'm genuinely interested in hearing why you take issue with my thread and my decision to post what I did.

I was in a hurry, was in full compliance and was stopped by a guy full of piss n vinegar so i responded in kind. Simple as that except I was right and he was way off base and totally wrong.
I refuse to be subjected to situations like that.

I posted this thread because everywhere i go, interacting with fellow hunters and sporting goods shops, everyone keeps telling me it is now only 1 mule deer in BC for all regions..... which simply is not true. Which "is" fact..... not my imagination or interpretation.
So when a CO, of all people, interupts my day and my hour drive to get frozen meat home in 20C weather..... and he is blathering on about nonsense .... AND he has the documentation in his hands from the butcher verifying my tags..... and he of all people should be well aware of the regulations he is enforcing.....

hopefully other BC hunters confused about the Mulie regs will read this thread and take something positive from it. If you insist on interjecting with your nonsense... thankfully CGN has an ignore function

 

[merlin1]

Wow ..... I mean how do these morons get thier jobs?
As I was leaving my butcher today from picking up boxes of meat from my hunting season thus far, I commented to my butcher that I still needed to fill one more deer tag.
That's when the CO that was looking at the books came around the corner and asked to see my licence and tags. Having killed two mule deer already he got all in a huff and was going to have to take my boxes of meat and consult his superior.
I promptly walked over and closed the hatch on the cherokee and said...... you need to do what now?

He said as far as he was aware, I was only allowed one mule deer for the province and seeing as I had punched two mulie tags..... he was "pretty sure" I was in violation of the new hunting regs on mule deer.
I scoffed at him ...... I got right down rude actually LOL
Little pissant , barely even 30 with his spotless uniform on and shiny clean truck LOL Fack Off now.
So I very clearly spelled it out for him that region 2 is not part of the provinces Mule deer restrictions and the bag limit there is 2 bucks per season. Shoot them minutes apart , weeks apart, makes no difference, the bag limit is 2 bucks. The deer in region 2 are classified as Black Tails but count as a mulie tag.
So having killed my 3pt mulie in region 5 means no more mule deer in a bunch of regions other than a doe by LEH..... but the provincial bag limit is still 3 deer , mulies or whitetail.
The guy went purple and told me I was wrong and I was to remain untill his superior arrived.
I said nope..... I got meat to get in the freezer and I have no time for law enforcement that doesn't even know the laws they are trying to enforce.
I got in my truck and drove away.

So here I am reading the regs over and over, I know I'm right, it's crystal clear in the regs and online....... so I sit on my couch and wait to see if the "superior" shows up in my driveway..... and I think I'm going to pen a nasty letter to the head of the BC conservation officer department and to the Minister in charge of hunting.

We all need to push back against this kind of crap and also push back against the ridiculous Mule deer restrictions that have been applied in this province.

tell him to eat your nuts ---cause you bought extra hahahahaha

 

[Boomer686]

While I may not necessarily follow the same approach to it (I don't get rude unless they get rude) I agree that just as we are REQUIRED to know the laws for the sports / activities we pursue LEO / CO should also know the law.
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse we can use and neither should they be allowed to use it either: they are the professionals.

 

[merlin1]

While I may not necessarily follow the same approach to it (I don't get rude unless they get rude) I agree that just as we are REQUIRED to know the laws for the sports / activities we pursue LEO / CO should also know the law.
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse we can use and neither should they be allowed to use it either: they are the professionals.

this

 

[Sidearm Sambo]

I agree 100% . I am not familiar with the regs in your province. I have also had a face to face with a local Game Warden.
Duck hunting with buddies. I spent my time building blinds, feeding the pond and ensuring everything was ready for opening day. Lots of birds every time i went to the pond. Fed only as permitted in regs. Opening day we only shot two ducks between 4 hunters. No we werent bad shots, no ducks!
When we canoed off the pond, hiding on shore was our local hero, Mr Game Warden. Inspected all our shotguns(all legal and had the plugs in). Proceeded to tell me that we were being charged for hunting in a baited zone! I almost lost it. He said after checking my shotgun to leave it on the ground beside him. I immediately and abruptly said NO! I will out it in my case and in my truck(50ft away) and lock my doors. He proceeded to direct us to stay put as he took our canoe out to the pond and checked for feed(after parking his truck across the road so we could not drive out). After spending an hour paddling around to each of our blind locations, he gets back and says "Thanks for ruining my morning!"
I asked why would he charge us when i know there was no bait on the pond after legal baiting time, he says they flew over with their helicopter and seen so many ducks and they figured the pond must have lots of bait. Total bull$hit! Too lazy to check it properly. Instead just charge us and see whatbthe courts say! Nope! Not gonna happen. I promptly advised him i was the one looking after things and i did not feed after legal time. It was not posted either so we hunted as scheduled. As i told our hero, we did nothing wrong or illegal, and we didnt ruin his morning, HE ruined our opening morning hunt which i worked hard to make happen. A complete idiot! I support our LEOs but at times i question their methods. I expect to be treated as a responsible hunter, not guilty until proven innocent! Stand up for yourself and if you know you are right dont back down. Stay safe and shoot straight. Enjoy the outdoors and get more youth involved!

 

[thebaron]

The last run in with a CO I had I was out ice fishing. We shot the #### for 45 min to an hour about hunting and guns and he gave me tips on where to find whitefish on the lake we were on. Then he left.

 

[hoytcanon]

Wow...
I scoffed at him... I got right down rude actually LOL
Little pissant , barely even 30 with his spotless uniform on and shiny clean truck LOL Fack Off now.

You might technically be in the right in your situation, but your needlessly hostile, aggressive and rude attitude toward an officer doing his best (perhaps erroneously and perhaps with misunderstanding) to perform his job, is pretty revealing about you as a person. There was certainly a more civil and respectful way to handle the situation that you have described here. From your own description of your attitude toward authority it comes across as though you are looking for situations to vent anger, while standing on your presumption of "rightness." It is possible to be right in a "technical" sense and dead wrong in a "human" sense.

But I do agree with you on one thing... the "ignore" function is a good thing.

 

[577/450]

You might technically be in the right in your situation, but your needlessly hostile, aggressive and rude attitude toward an officer doing his best (perhaps erroneously and perhaps with misunderstanding) to perform his job, is pretty revealing about you as a person. There was certainly a more civil and respectful way to handle the situation that you have described here. From your own description of your attitude toward authority it comes across as though you are looking for situations to vent anger, while standing on your presumption of "rightness." It is possible to be right in a "technical" sense and dead wrong in a "human" sense.

But I do agree with you on one thing... the "ignore" function is a good thing.

pricks with a uniform and an attitude need to be dealt with in the rudest way possible! That encounter should be a learning lesson that he should actually know the laws, not just assuming that just because he is the law that he knows what he is doing.

 

[hoytcanon]

pricks with a uniform and an attitude need to be dealt with in the rudest way possible! That encounter should be a learning lesson that he should actually know the laws, not just assuming that just because he is the law that he knows what he is doing.

As said above... you are hearing ONE SIDE of the story... but given the presentation of this side of the story, I am inclined to cut the other side some slack.

 

[steamy teabag]

Never get between a man and his backstrap.

 

[horseman2]

There are some great stories out there from the side of CO's and LEO's.

"Checking a group of Migratory Bird hunters for three rounds. Please unload your firearms. BOOM . . . BOOM . . . BOOM! Someone did not know any other way to unload his shotgun".

"A officers at a road check saw a vehicle slow . . . then a BOOM . . . then smoke curling from in and around the vehicle which is now stopped. Young son did not know how to unload dad's loaded rifle. The fired round also unloaded the transmission".

These officers have seen a lot and they deserve our respect.

First time ever the Cache Creek game check was in place when we went through. They were most professional and it was a pleasant interaction.

 

[45ACPKING]

You might technically be in the right in your situation, but your needlessly hostile, aggressive and rude attitude toward an officer doing his best (perhaps erroneously and perhaps with misunderstanding) to perform his job, is pretty revealing about you as a person. There was certainly a more civil and respectful way to handle the situation that you have described here. From your own description of your attitude toward authority it comes across as though you are looking for situations to vent anger, while standing on your presumption of "rightness." It is possible to be right in a "technical" sense and dead wrong in a "human" sense.

But I do agree with you on one thing... the "ignore" function is a good thing.

you guys are hilarious.
you can tell by my post that i was needlessly hostile, aggressive and rude?

get a life.