Armalite AR-10T or DPMS REPR 308/7.62......
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Well of course it can fire. That would be a requirement of the first passing of the FRT #.
As for testing the beta model. How many rounds have you put through it, 50, 100, 1000, 10000?
There's a bunch of other issues I would consider prior to placing money forth for a product that has not hit production.
Your 75 unit prebuy also strikes me as action taken to raise capital for production, but that's just me.
Epoxy7 has left some good info for caramel. I would only add that HK MR308 20" beats them all......because it's HK!
and I happen to have one.
All hail HK, all hail!
As for testing the beta model. How many rounds have you put through it, 50, 100, 1000, 10000?
There's a bunch of other issues I would consider prior to placing money forth for a product that has not hit production.
Your 75 unit prebuy also strikes me as action taken to raise capital for production, but that's just me.
Epoxy7 has left some good info for caramel. I would only add that HK MR308 20" beats them all......because it's HK!
and I happen to have one.
All hail HK, all hail!
Well I guess you would consider ANY AR10 style rifle unproven then, the design of the AR10 is only a mere 60 years old and totally unproven.
All we did is take the AR10 design and modify it some and added some features that are fairly common in higher end AR style rifles.
Just because YOU have not seen 1 shoot does not mean it has not happened, so YES YOU ARE MISTAKEN, we have had the prototype gun out to several ranges over the last couple of months.
We DO have to send a production rifle back to the RCMP for final approval so that they are satisfied that the final product is the essentially the same as the crude prototype we originally submitted. This will happen in the next week or so. We are told by Bill Etter that final inspection should only take a few weeks. All that has changed since the prototype was approved are cosmetic improvements and refinements to things like the charge handle and the addition of an integral ambi bolt release, so the chances of it being classified as anything but NON restricted is incredibly low as the operating system and dimensions of both the upper and lower have not changed, so our upper and lower are still 100% NON compatible with any other makers AR10 style rifle.
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Well of course it can fire. That would be a requirement of the first passing of the FRT #.
As for testing the beta model. How many rounds have you put through it, 50, 100, 1000, 10000?
There's a bunch of other issues I would consider prior to placing money forth for a product that has not hit production.
Your 75 unit prebuy also strikes me as action taken to raise capital for production, but that's just me.
Epoxy7 has left some good info for caramel. I would only add that HK MR308 20" beats them all......because it's HK!
and I happen to have one.
All hail HK, all hail!
Yes, agreed. The new G2 though brings it up a lot. The only thing is I still think Armalite has better quality. The upper/lower for example is 7175 forged. But the G2 for anything meant to be lighter is a game changer. I would still go Armalite for a target rifle, depending on price/deals. I own Armalite rifles, DPMS G1 and G2 along with a LMT MWS for comparisons.
Epoxy7, have you noticed a big difference in accuracy between the makes?
20" seems right with 308. I also like 24" barrels. The 16 works well for shorter handier rifles. Everything is a compromise. Velocity etc. There are numerous arguments for the shorter barrels and the minimum loss of velocity etc. But keep in mind for a target rifle weight isn't really a factor. Heavier is actually easier to shoot and the velocity can be nice. Plus I find the 20 and 24" barrels shoot factory match ammo well. Whether it's a 16, 20 or 24" barrel they generally seem to have similiar accuracy nodes. So the argument you can reload the shorter ones to match can be made. And theoretically the shorter barrel is stiffer so could be more accurate. However if you can't hit the higher accuracy node then you're at the same loading as the ones with the longer barrel and if you want accuracy you will have to bite the extra velocity. Plus loading lower puts less stress on everything. Longer barrel life, parts and is a bit nicer to shoot. I shoot most of my 308 rifles without a muzzle brake.
Also prior to the G2, most of the AR308 rifles were heavy anyways. While 16" is handier say on my LMT it is far from light and AR15 handy. The G2 however is a game changer in that department. Even the KAC while a nicer firearm than the G2, takes second place for shorter barrel use against this new entry. So generally the type of shooting you'll be doing doesn't really benefit with the shorter barrels in most AR308 rifles. Most of these are target and or DM rifles. You're shooting more expensive 308 ammo.
Fireball really likes his HK MR308. He would be a good source of info on it. It's an HK so you know it will be decent. I'm not sold on it, but I haven't shot one either. I think I like my LMT better but again that could change after having some actual use of one.
No but there are differences. The barrel and trigger are your primary components for accuracy. What I have noticed is stuff like the commercial grade DPMS vs my military grade rifles shoot different ammo. My Armalites and my LMT all have 1:11.25 twist SS barrels. The DPMS rifles have 1:10 SS barrels. The military ones are designed to shoot 168-175 and Federal Gold is pretty much a standard very accurate round for these types of barrels. The DPMS requires different ammo. 167 Lapua shots very well for mine. 168 Federal wasn't so good.
There are differences in what the rifle shoots. If you were to just shoot Federal Gold then you would think the DPMS was crap. But if you load or find another round it likes then you would find it's actually exceptionally accurate. I found the same thing with some of my 22LR rifles. My Walther 22LR rifles love Lapua Super club. My Kimber SVT shoots so so with that but put in Federal Gold and it's fantastic.
Also the higher end barrels tend to shoot more stuff well. IE you have more variety in the type of ammo those rifles shoot really well. With the lesser stuff you will have a couple rounds/loads that are very accurate while the other stuff shoots marginally.
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So giving out speculative info is helping in what way? You keep claiming I was privy to these government discussions yet again you are wrong.
I will be just as surprised as 99.9% of the Canadian gun culture if your claims that AR s and such are all magically re-classified as NON restricted and that the mag laws are all repealed.
I am at a loss as to how exactly it is that YOU know what is inside my head. Your claims that I know what is coming in so far as changes to the laws are total B.S., SO let me go on record as it did not seem to sink in via all of your PMs. Either put out some proof or stop with your empty allegations.
Well I guess you would consider ANY AR10 style rifle unproven then, the design of the AR10 is only a mere 60 years old and totally unproven.
All we did is take the AR10 design and modify it some and added some features that are fairly common in higher end AR style rifles.
Just because YOU have not seen 1 shoot does not mean it has not happened, so YES YOU ARE MISTAKEN, we have had the prototype gun out to several ranges over the last couple of months.
We DO have to send a production rifle back to the RCMP for final approval so that they are satisfied that the final product is the essentially the same as the crude prototype we originally submitted. This will happen in the next week or so. We are told by Bill Etter that final inspection should only take a few weeks. All that has changed since the prototype was approved are cosmetic improvements and refinements to things like the charge handle and the addition of an integral ambi bolt release, so the chances of it being classified as anything but NON restricted is incredibly low as the operating system and dimensions of both the upper and lower have not changed, so our upper and lower are still 100% NON compatible with any other makers AR10 style rifle.
The AR10 has been a proven platform for 60+ years, there are specific questions about the reliability and accuracy of specific rifles based on that design, models that have gone through all the rigorus testing by manufacturers and also spent lots of time in the publics hands. Your rifle has been to a few ranges for a few months which hasn't had the same testing as the ones that are being discussed. So why give out speculative info of your reliability until it has gone through the same?
I'm not here to bash, I've bought from you before, when I am in Calgary, I generally stop in to say hi and all my dealings with you have been great so far. There is one store local to me in the Lower Mainland of BC that I try my hardest to avoid, some people like the store, I haven't had positive experiences with my dealings there so I avoid them, but everyone has different personalities and sometimes some people just don't get along.
I look forward to having a Canadian made AR style platform that's NR available, with the changes coming to the laws, I'm not going to buy anything any time soon until those are clarified so I can see what my options might be to spend my hard earned credit, I mean cash.
I for one do not see how the ATR gun could be NR -- I mean the SR-25 was restricted as someone deemed it a AR-15 variant.
Not legal for Canada (public) but if your looking for a DMR/BattleRifle
M110K5/SR-25E2 ACC-DSR 14.5" 7.62gun with a Dedicated Can (comes to same OAL as our 16" gun with flash hider).
I shot it out to 900m at a Todd Hodnett Class with no issues using a Mk6 3-18 scope , however I view it is a 600m and in gun with a 1-6 or 1-8x scope
Not legal for Canada (public) but if your looking for a DMR/BattleRifle
M110K5/SR-25E2 ACC-DSR 14.5" 7.62gun with a Dedicated Can (comes to same OAL as our 16" gun with flash hider).
I shot it out to 900m at a Todd Hodnett Class with no issues using a Mk6 3-18 scope , however I view it is a 600m and in gun with a 1-6 or 1-8x scope
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Kevin, With the SR25, can any other manufacturers upper or lowers be attached, even "duct taped" together to make a single round discharge. This is an honest question as I have no experience with the SR25. If so that is the answer. The photo of the rifle you posted to me looks quite similar to the Armalite or ASA version of an AR10, so if an Armalite or ASA upper can be fitted to your lower, you have an AR10 variant in the eyes of the RCMP.
With our rifle it is classified as NON RESTRICTED simply due to the fact that try as they may, NO other manufacturers uppers or lowers would allow for the discharge of a single round, hence they can not be deemed a variant is what we were told.
live4therut
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The ignorance of some people here lately is ridiculous, and its funny that their ignorant to their own ignorance. I like the fact the MHR is a cdn product of this stature with the prospect of being non res. fellow Canadians should be embracing this but
Carmel your not worried about NR status of the rifle, or most likely the cost so forget the dpms, get yourself a lwrc reapr, SR25, larue OBR, or the lmt mrp & it allows for easy barrel swaps if that matters. You will not regret and be happy with either of those rifles.
Carmel your not worried about NR status of the rifle, or most likely the cost so forget the dpms, get yourself a lwrc reapr, SR25, larue OBR, or the lmt mrp & it allows for easy barrel swaps if that matters. You will not regret and be happy with either of those rifles.
Thanks to Live4therut for steering me toward a AR i did no know about, the LMT CBQ SBR 16 inch, just started reading on it.... When you start at a older age to interest yourself at a platform like the AR one, it is the start of a never ending story... Other advives are appreciated... JP.
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atm,the best ''prodie''' ar-10 is the lmt mrp with the optional 20SS barrel.pouic.
then,the custom ones like your upcoming GAP.
then,the custom ones like your upcoming GAP.
live4therut
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From what observed from the MHR thread that is back on track after all the BS there seem's to be nothing but happy and excited people that can't wait to feb scheduled rifles.
And to sig tactical what's a "prodie" rifle
Caramel what model of GAP did you order and options if you don't mind sharing
