Armalite AR180B Stuff

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I have long been an opponent to the "put an M4 stock on everything" movement that seems to be sweating the firearms community. I know it has it's benefits in adjustment for armour and CQB. The only reason the collapsible stock came to be is that you can't put a folder on an AR15. The other benefits were just pure dumb luck. Basically, if you can put a folder on it, put one on!

Of course I still thought it might be interesting to put one on my AR180B. :D
How ever, I always have to do things different. I had Josh over at Storm Werkz make me a custom buffer tube adapter the mounts the stock in line with the barrel. This provides a far better cheek weld and should hopefully reduce muzzle climb.

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Of course you know, this setup is pretty much limited to the two rifles I know of with the POF rail installed. As you may notice, the rail raises the sights up and requires a cheek rest. Try this stock on a regular 180B and you'll require a riser or tall rings, if that is even enough.

I'll have a range report tonight. It's hard to see in the picture but the stock it crooked, it points slightly upwards and looks incredibly stupid when the stock is fully extended. I'll still much prefer the look and feel of the folder and will most likely play with this stock for a bit and then sell it.
 
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I agree, I still prefer the folder. If having the stock inline with the barrel makes a noticiable difference, I'll probably get an adapter made that takes the ACE type stocks and moves them up.

As a side note, I don't know what I did but in the course of removing and reinstalling the stock, its not longer cooked.

Range Report:
Just fire off a few rounds of the office deck at work. Only did 5 rounds but she handled nicely. I noticed a nice straight back recoil, fairly noticable from the other stock. It's windy as hell today so I'll have to wait for a calm day to put some more rounds through her for a more indepth report.
 
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Looks great! .. screw the guys that hate the M-4. If it works for you and you like the looks and ergonomics .. do it. Nice job Sask!!

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screw the guys that hate the M-4.
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Problem is, I'm one of those guys. :D

It actually feels pretty good, its growing on me. I'm liking that I can adjust the pull for inside vehicles and houses. Sure my folder can go more compact, but you can't fire the rifle with the stock folded.
 
The one benefit of the collapsing stock over folders, adjustable length of pull. summer vs. winter clothes can be 3 inches :)
 
it may be wrong to "deface" a rifle with an M-4 as some put it .. and I agree in some cases BUT my 858 is for fun, varmint hunting, etc. and I want it to be comfortable to shoot. The M-4 on it did that for me, I don't really care about how it looks. That being said, a folder is great too if it works for you.
 
AR180b

Can someone please explain to me why the AR180b is a non-restricted firearm when the prohib list specifically says quote "The firearm of the design commonly known as the Armalite AR-180 Sporter carbine, and any variant or modified version of it." Is this not just a modified version of the AR-180? I'm not to familiar with these guns, and to be honest, I'm not really all that interested in them. I'm just trying to figure out our prohib laws and if there are loopholes in them that set precedence for other implied, but not specifically named guns.
 
There are no loopholes regarding the AR180B vs the AR-180. It's apples and oranges. Different rifles from the get go. For one thing the AR 180B is NOT a variant. It is a completely new and different rifle. Can share some furniture except the pistol grip and a few other parts, but that's about it.

There are many threads on this forum that explain the difference between the 2. But the best person to ask on this forum is Armedsask. He is the official AR180B pimp. He has all the facts. I have a 180B and love it, but when it comes to the details of AR15/M16/AR180 vs the 180B all I know is it is unrestricted.
 
The controlled part of firearms in Canada is the part with the serial number, usually the receiver. When it comes to firearms with an upper and lower receiver, the lower receiver is generally the part that is considered to be the firearm as it generally contains the serial number, such as the AR15 family.

Now, with this knowledge one must look at the AR180B as just the lower. It is a polymer receiver that uses AR15 trigger components and AR15 magazines. It is generally agreed that the criteria for being a variant is to use the same action and/or fire control group.

The AR180B uses an AR15 fire control group and magazines; therefore one could say it is an AR15 variant. How ever, it uses a completely different action (bolt, recoil system, piston), so that makes it not an AR15 variant. Now one could say it is an AR180 variant as it uses a very similar lower receiver and almost the exact same upper receiver and action. Again, the lower is the key here, it doesn’t use an AR180 fire control group or magazines, plus it’s a one piece plastic lower. That makes it not an AR180 variant.

What we can basically conclude from looking at the AR180B is that, from a legal stand point, it is not an AR15 variant and it is not an AR180 variant. Therefore, it must be a new type of firearm. It is then classed based on its fire control and barrel length. Semi-automatic with a barrel over 18.5”: non-restricted.

Now realistically, the AR180B is an updated version of the AR180, any moron with at least one eye can tell that. It has “AR180” right there in the name for Christ sake. Hell, the lower has molded in parts that are completely cosmetic just to make it look exactly like an AR180 lower. It is and always has been a variant of the original AR180, just not from a legal standpoint because it has just enough major differences.



Of course, this explaination only works with the AR180B. Firearms can be classed as variants depending on who looks at it and what their mood is that day. Are you confused yet?
 
Confused as a nut puppy.:p But an excellent description nonetheless. Now if the powers that be would apply the same set of logical or illogical thinking to the DSA FALs I would be most happy:D
 
No there is no logic involved.

No rifle with FAL in then name or anywhere in the description of the rifle will ever be non-prohibited. Simply stating a rifle is based on a prohibed firearm will most likely end in it being prohibited.
 
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who deciedes whats restricted and not????
i mean....we have guys bribeing these people right??? :)
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Back when this stuff went Restricted, they literally had somebody go through Guns and Ammo Buyer's Guide and put a check mark against every thing that looked "evil"; "Oooooh, nobody needs one of those, nobody uses that for hunting". This was 1990/1991, Bill C17. "Progressive Conservative" government and Justice Minister Kim Campbell.

They also prohibited a bunch of guns of which only very few had been imported, they even prohibited some that had never been imported and were only prototypes.

It was a numbers thing. They looked at the import stats and any evil black rifles that were imported in any quantity went Restricted and required registration, so they wouldn't look like they were trying to grab guns and unduly alarm the firearms community. This is why semi auto AK variants were only Restricted by the PC's, thousands had been imported by that point.

Of course when the Liberals were elected and introduced Bill C68 in 1995, they simply took Kim Campbell's Restricted list and converted everything on it to prohibited, with the exception of the AR15. You can thank Kim Campbell just as much as Allan Rock for the gun laws we have today.
 
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