Armsan shotguns

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At a recent gun show (Penticton) I ran into a few dealers selling Armsan shotguns. They looked and felt good, but I'm not familiar with the brand. According to one dealer they are Turkish and they make the same guns for Weatherby. So they are a way to save a few hundreds and get the same quality. I'm somewhat skeptical, so I'd like to hear your opinions.

I'm currently in the market for my first shotgun, and I'm thinking Benelli or Weatherby (pump or semi). Armsan could be a third, cheaper option.

Thoughts?
 
Yes, Weatherby uses two Turkish mfg's to make their SA and PA shotguns, Armsan is one and ATA Arms is the other.

One of the two is also building shotguns for Beretta and Mossberg (don't remember which at the moment).

I have a new (within the last few months) Weatherby PA model shotgun and the fit, finish, machine work and parts fit (barrel to receiver - ease of install etc) is FAR superior to the 870 Express, 500/535 Mossberg that are currently on the market (I sell guns and assemble a lot of shotguns).

The wood stocked models (at least the Weatherby's) stocks and finish comes pretty close to what you find on the 870 Wingmaster's costing "double".

So I "didn't" hesitate to pick up one of these Turkish built shotguns (it's a 20 gauge pump), it carries nice, fits nice, shoots well and as stated, I found the machine work in particular way better than the "entry level" guns from Remington and Mossberg (which you sometimes have to fight with to initially get them assembled).

(I also own an 870 Rem, an old Winchester Featherweight and an H&R shotgun, so not a singular comparison on my part)

One common complaint with the Turkish guns has been the trigger which can be rather heavy (one article from a noted writer called it "unusable").

I measured mine just at 9 lbs, so yes, heavy, but in the field I didn't "notice" how heavy it was and it hasn't been a hindrance so far. I initially considered having it worked on to lighten it a bit, but have got used to it now and don't find it bad at all.

(not to confuse your decision further)

You also may want to add the Winchester SXP to your list to consider. I will state that I am not a Winchester fan although I own a couple, but my position on them is due to some uber-poor customer service just prior to the company going bankrupt (and I hold a grudge still) - anyhow, they are now owned by FN (Belgium) and their product line seems to be decent. I recently got in an order which included a few SXP Field models (which are price competitive with the 870 Express, 500 Mossberg, PA Weatherby etc) and at least from an assembly, fit/finish etc I find them nicer then the Rems/Mossberg's - no first hand as to how they shoot or function, but they seem to be "starting out" a little better built than some of the other "starter" guns - so maybe worth a look.
 
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Armsan is Turkish made shotguns probably similar to the Hatsans, Girsan, or Warrior brands. Weatherby is made by Armsan if I'm not mistaken, they're manufactured in Turkey as well. I'd have no problem buying any Turkish made gun. I own a Hatsan and have never had a problem.
 
The ones I considered are:

  • Weatherby PA-08 or SA-08
  • Benelli Nova / Supernova
  • Winchester SXP
  • Armsan pump or semi
  • Browning BPS

I tried Remington / Mossberg and wasn't crazy about them. Heavy too.
 
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I have no first hand experience with the Benelli, but don't think you would be disappointed with any you are considering as a first shotgun.

I'm partial to anything with the Weatherby name on it (own 3 and another on order) and just love the finish/wood on the Upland PA models.

If I was you I would go with whichever feels "most natural" when you shoulder it. Sometimes a 1/4" difference in the length of pull or a slight difference in the drop at the heel just feels "right".

My "best fitting" shotgun is a single shot H&R 20 that I paid 89 bucks for (brand new) - I have a long length of pull and this one just feel right and the one I shoot most accurately of all my shotguns - go figure.
 
I suggest Hatsan if you're going with a Turkish shotgun. They are the best budget priced 12g right now.
 
I have an armsan 612. I've shot it for the past few years, sporting clays and some bird hunting. I have been very happy with the gun. I would not hesitate to have another one. It cycles all types of shells
 
I have one each SA-08 12ga. and 20ga. wood stocked. Very nice shotguns. I took a Mossberg Thunder Ranch in trade at the Swift Current show. Seems like a nice, solid little shotgun.
 
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