Army Captain Slams New XM7 Rifle As “Unfit,” Sig Sauer Says Otherwise

What does BC have to do with war fighting? I cannot image a more irrelevant factor to consider for military ammunition.
German MG42 @ 1500 RPM with .573 B.C. 196gr steel bullets retains more velocity and weight when shooting at Polish or Russian or Ukrainian Apartments from 900 Meters away.

Thick concrete.

More velocity. More weight. More energy.
 
IMO, the future of military "small arms" will increasingly lie with semiautomatic mini grenade launchers of the kinds now being tested under the U.S. military's PGS program.

https://www.twz.com/land/one-of-the...ould-succeed-where-the-armys-punisher-failed/
And by the time they are buying there things and starting to deploy in 5 to 8 years , the emerging battle field will be dominated by Ariel and ground drones, making any front lines no go zones to human. Pay attention to people like Luckey Palmer - the interception of AI, robotics enabled by Tech from EV ( batteries, actuators ) and mass collaboration of data in real time. IMHO, human against human fighting like what we know of today is on the last leg and the future will be vastly different . I cannot speculate what small arms will be like in an era where human are scarce and valuable targets, and the threats are mostly drones and robotic weapon stations.

There may not be human infanteers and armours the way we know of today. Using human to clear trenches and buildings are costly and inefficient. At the minimum human soldiers should be watching from afar and let ground and Ariel drone clear out other humans solders of less advanced adversaries or those who refuse to use robots and AI, and China is not the one who is hesitant to deploy mass number of AI enabled robots. Countries like Canada who emphasize on using the defence industries and the militaries to employ people rather than creating capabilities will be the most at risk in the future robotic reality.
 
Decades of counter-terrorism and generations of gun-hyperfixated autistic infanteers has put greatly undue emphasis on the specifications of the service rifle. In a conventional conflict, any rifle that goes bang is sufficient for space-holding infantry, and a fully auto rifle with a scope effectively can’t be improved upon.

There will be no meaningful gains to be had from rearming the US military with a new rifle. Machine guns, grenade launchers, and anything that isn’t small arms would be much more effective investments.

That said, fighting robots are not the reality of the future. Humans are simply cheaper and equally expendable. In some cases desirable to get rid of.
 
Decades of counter-terrorism and generations of gun-hyperfixated autistic infanteers has put greatly undue emphasis on the specifications of the service rifle. In a conventional conflict, any rifle that goes bang is sufficient for space-holding infantry, and a fully auto rifle with a scope effectively can’t be improved upon.

There will be no meaningful gains to be had from rearming the US military with a new rifle. Machine guns, grenade launchers, and anything that isn’t small arms would be much more effective investments.

That said, fighting robots are not the reality of the future. Humans are simply cheaper and equally expendable. In some cases desirable to get rid of.
The service rifle has been in that situation since WW1. Artillery, tanks, airplanes, and now drones are at the forefront. In WW2 90% of casualties were caused by artillery of some sort. Since WW1, infantry rifle development has not changed the course of any wars. Its only given a very slight edge to one or another country. Germans had the most advanced small arms yet lost the war horribly. Even with drones you still want the best rifle possible for your infantry.

What we're seeing in Ukraine due to drones is the reintroduction of the shotgun. In Russia they've even reintroduced the SKS with bird shot ammo. Drones will come and go as the tech adapts, for example if powerful signal jammers are developed, the drones are useless unless AI powered. Which is scary #### but AI drones could easily go for friendlies or are open to a number of other tricks such as switching uniforms. I don't think drones are quite there yet to be AI driven. But you can betcha they're working on it.
 
However their adoption of the Sig P320 as their standard service pistol argues against that; there seems to be a strange ongoing enthusiasm for Sig.
One wonders who made the bribe and to whom and for how much?


I just hope the US remembers the lessons of the premature introduction of the M16 in Vietnam.
The M16 rifle was not prematurely fielded and the problems you are referring to had nothing to do with the rifle. The problem was the US army didn't listen to Stoner with respect to the ammo. They decided his opinion wasn't important and so they ended up using an unsuitable powder.


It was the open ranges of Afghanistan and Iraq that made the 5.56x45 round look obsolete and you would hear and read accounts of even successful head shots failing at 300-400 metres-
There is zero possibility that a headshot with a 62gr 223 projectile at 400m would not result in instant death. I'd believe impacts on the body might not result in immediate incapacitation but not to the head.
 
There is zero possibility that a headshot with a 62gr 223 projectile at 400m would not result in instant death. I'd believe impacts on the body might not result in immediate incapacitation but not to the head.
On modern infantry wearing kevlar helmets is the question. If you're fighting in the mountains you don't want a .223.
 
Um...ok so what are the issues ? The whole excerpt just eludes to "issues" but never specifically mentions what they are is there a link somewhere to the full article ?
Click the first line in his post. Links aren’t obvious since the 2.0 upgrade.

Decent article. He makes some valid points, but his claims about reliability seem to be based on purely anecdotal evidence and not documented failures. Some of his comments, like the side charging handle, come across as less than objective. How can the side charging handle be less ergonomic than the rear charging handle, particularly in the prone?

His comments about the ambi-safety instantly had me thinking of the C7A2 upgrade. Lots of dropped mags from right handed shooters because it’s not protected. I wish I could have it removed as it’s a liability for the right handed soldier, or they should have modified the lower to protect it.
 
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7N6 accounts for 4-7% of deaths or less.

52gr 5.45 sucks compared to 155gr 7.62 AMAX...but it still works.

37gr OTM .17x556mm in polymer casings @ 3300fps would work too.

25gr .17's filled with Omecarfentanyl would be better then .338 Lapua OTMs...in terms of stopping power...but now we are into WW1 "style all out" illegal weapons.

50-200 KPA Low trained Chi-Com Divisions of volunteers armed with 7N6 works...even if they are walking or riding dirt bikes.

They are training on FAST drones via home P.C....just like Call of Duty.

The key to eliminating drone operations is to establish a NO MANS LAND.

No civilians...no cars...no bicycles...no dirt bikes...no Semi's....no nothing. No man....no fiber drone...no wifi drone..no command wire. Nothing.
 
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And by the time they are buying there things and starting to deploy in 5 to 8 years , the emerging battle field will be dominated by Ariel and ground drones, making any front lines no go zones to human. Pay attention to people like Luckey Palmer - the interception of AI, robotics enabled by Tech from EV ( batteries, actuators ) and mass collaboration of data in real time. IMHO, human against human fighting like what we know of today is on the last leg and the future will be vastly different . I cannot speculate what small arms will be like in an era where human are scarce and valuable targets, and the threats are mostly drones and robotic weapon stations.

There may not be human infanteers and armours the way we know of today. Using human to clear trenches and buildings are costly and inefficient. At the minimum human soldiers should be watching from afar and let ground and Ariel drone clear out other humans solders of less advanced adversaries or those who refuse to use robots and AI, and China is not the one who is hesitant to deploy mass number of AI enabled robots. Countries like Canada who emphasize on using the defence industries and the militaries to employ people rather than creating capabilities will be the most at risk in the future robotic reality.
A robot dominated battlefield will still dictate grenade launchers or light cannon as standard armament, since it's so easy to armor a ground combat robot against infantry caliber bullets, or even the likes of .50 BMG.
 
The M16 rifle was not prematurely fielded and the problems you are referring to had nothing to do with the rifle. The problem was the US army didn't listen to Stoner with respect to the ammo. They decided his opinion wasn't important and so they ended up using an unsuitable powder.
Along with the changes the military forced on it, firearms manufacturers had difficult producing the radical aerospace industry influenced AR design in high volume while maintaining high quality standards for many decades after its inception.
 
A robot dominated battlefield will still dictate grenade launchers or light cannon as standard armament, since it's so easy to armor a ground combat robot against infantry caliber bullets, or even the likes of .50 BMG.

Then why are 1 Million Ukrainian Drones not stopping unlimited human wave attacks from Vidka fueled Asians and Russians?

The Golden Hoard advances km by km every month or day.

Need bigger drones. Mi-26's serial produced that poop out 220mm Warheads.

Need like Mi-8 drones that piss 80mm Thermobarics that self reload and self fuel.

Flir Mi-8s are fine. Can carry hundreds of 80mm reloads in its cargo area and reload with a TOS 2A crane arm.

Runs on gasoline or diesel or oil or kerosene....or jet fuel...or electricity.

Need 100 MPH T72s with FLIR and bigger motors or like 4 electric motors.
 
Should really
7.62x51 is great until you need to hump it around all day. I'm fine with the C6 gunners using all the 7.62x51 we bring. 5.56 still gets the job done in close quarters. I think the people lobbying for change need to recognize that there's no "silver bullet", pardon the pun.
i think armies should have stuck with 7mm Mauser and left it at that. Doesn’t get more perfect than that really
 
Then why are 1 Million Ukrainian Drones not stopping unlimited human wave attacks from Vidka fueled Asians and Russians?

The Golden Hoard advances km by km every month or day.

Need bigger drones. Mi-26's serial produced that poop out 220mm Warheads.

Need like Mi-8 drones that piss 80mm Thermobarics that self reload and self fuel.

Flir Mi-8s are fine. Can carry hundreds of 80mm reloads in its cargo area and reload with a TOS 2A crane arm.

Runs on gasoline or diesel or oil or kerosene....or jet fuel...or electricity.

Need 100 MPH T72s with FLIR and bigger motors or like 4 electric motors.
I'm talking about the near future here, when you can expect large numbers of more or less infantry scale ground combat drones to appear on the battlefield alongside the types already fielded, or long envisioned like crewless AFVs.
 
On modern infantry wearing kevlar helmets is the question. If you're fighting in the mountains you don't want a .223.
The original post said, "It was the open ranges of Afghanistan and Iraq that made the 5.56x45 round look obsolete and you would hear and read accounts of even successful head shots failing at 300-400 metres-"

The Taliban and Iraqi insurgents weren't wearing kevlar helmets. There is ZERO possibility of a headshot in Iraq or Afghanistan that didn't kill the guy who wasn't wearing a helmet and none of them wore helmets. 🤷‍♂️

So it is possible that against a near peer army wearing kevlar, the 556 could be considered to be insufficient but that's not what the post I replied to said. 🤷‍♂️
 
And by the time they are buying there things and starting to deploy in 5 to 8 years , the emerging battle field will be dominated by Ariel and ground drones, making any front lines no go zones to human. Pay attention to people like Luckey Palmer - the interception of AI, robotics enabled by Tech from EV ( batteries, actuators ) and mass collaboration of data in real time. IMHO, human against human fighting like what we know of today is on the last leg and the future will be vastly different . I cannot speculate what small arms will be like in an era where human are scarce and valuable targets, and the threats are mostly drones and robotic weapon stations.

There may not be human infanteers and armours the way we know of today. Using human to clear trenches and buildings are costly and inefficient. At the minimum human soldiers should be watching from afar and let ground and Ariel drone clear out other humans solders of less advanced adversaries or those who refuse to use robots and AI, and China is not the one who is hesitant to deploy mass number of AI enabled robots. Countries like Canada who emphasize on using the defence industries and the militaries to employ people rather than creating capabilities will be the most at risk in the future robotic reality.

They are already working on a device which will make all those remote controlled devices inoperable with a push of a button...
 
One wonders who made the bribe and to whom and for how much?



The M16 rifle was not prematurely fielded and the problems you are referring to had nothing to do with the rifle. The problem was the US army didn't listen to Stoner with respect to the ammo. They decided his opinion wasn't important and so they ended up using an unsuitable powder.



There is zero possibility that a headshot with a 62gr 223 projectile at 400m would not result in instant death. I'd believe impacts on the body might not result in immediate incapacitation but not to the head.

I remember reading something along the same lines. Something about the ammo affecting the timing of the rifle?

And I also vaguely recall that the chamber was getting pitted somehow due to the conditions there which made extraction difficult or impossible?
 
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