Army to Gunmakers: Show Us a New 7.62mm Service Rifle
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30 round mags kinda suck on a FAL. They were ok on the old C2's back in the day, but they add weight to a gun that is already a real tank.
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contract says they won't be "bringing a gun back" they want a off the shelf ready model.
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XCR-m fits the bill.. but the manufacture is probably to small to supply the army "now". Also insert top brass hate on for the company owner, not a chance of them getting it.
FN FAL? pft... not a chance, the only commercial ones on the market right now are small runs and of poor quality mostly made overseas.
M14... no they want a modern gun, one that doesn't require a lot of gunsmithing and gentle hands to keep accurate.
FNAR, its a contender,
AR-10.... this is my bet. it will be one of the newer models, the US army will be able to use m 16 triger parts, and some of the gunsmithing tools. less retraining as it's maintenance and operation is almost identical to current weapons systems used.
I could see them taking the smith and wesson M&P10; its is a very excellent rifle ,meets the specs, its very accurate, very reliable with all ammo, reputable manufacturer "made in america" with capacity to produce.
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XCR-m fits the bill.. but the manufacture is probably to small to supply the army "now". Also insert top brass hate on for the company owner, not a chance of them getting it.
FN FAL? pft... not a chance, the only commercial ones on the market right now are small runs and of poor quality mostly made overseas.
M14... no they want a modern gun, one that doesn't require a lot of gunsmithing and gentle hands to keep accurate.
FNAR, its a contender,
AR-10.... this is my bet. it will be one of the newer models, the US army will be able to use m 16 triger parts, and some of the gunsmithing tools. less retraining as it's maintenance and operation is almost identical to current weapons systems used.
I could see them taking the smith and wesson M&P10; its is a very excellent rifle ,meets the specs, its very accurate, very reliable with all ammo, reputable manufacturer "made in america" with capacity to produce.
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mp10
dpms g2
kac sr25
any one else i cant see having the manufacturing capabilities to effectively do this
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they would need to ramp up significantly their production line of the m110
which incurs significant risks, not sure kac wants to ramp up, i believe they are quite happy being the size they are
SCAR-H has my vote
I with you on that. Offer a SCAR heavy here in the People's Republik of Kanada - and I would be all over it.
I appreciate the respect for the 308/ 7.62x51 i really do It is a great round truly you can hit from range with it well, it can be hot loaded well, it can kill basically every animal on north america well i've even seen a full grown grizzly fall too this once.
But for humans and range and ballistics i wonder if some major short sightedness is happening here.
First thing i was always told is a wounded soldier is more valuable to the enemy than a dead soldier or a kill.... kk that's something lets consider that on the side.
Second a 243 is basically as accurate at range and slightly flatter shooting than a 308 i have both i shoot both i know this off hand a 308 has better down range power and yes slightly better ballistics but they are truly comparable in a few ways.
That is just a food for thought nothing more
Now looking t a 6.5mm Creedmoor or 7mm i keep thinking those are more like keys to winning.
They have both ballistic coefficients and speed they are like the middle ground between current 5.56 and 7.62 especially the 6.5mm Creedmoor even the recoil is similar to the 243.
meh what ever they choose i just think hopefully they dont rely on old gun types to make it go.
But for humans and range and ballistics i wonder if some major short sightedness is happening here.
First thing i was always told is a wounded soldier is more valuable to the enemy than a dead soldier or a kill.... kk that's something lets consider that on the side.
Second a 243 is basically as accurate at range and slightly flatter shooting than a 308 i have both i shoot both i know this off hand a 308 has better down range power and yes slightly better ballistics but they are truly comparable in a few ways.
That is just a food for thought nothing more
Now looking t a 6.5mm Creedmoor or 7mm i keep thinking those are more like keys to winning.
They have both ballistic coefficients and speed they are like the middle ground between current 5.56 and 7.62 especially the 6.5mm Creedmoor even the recoil is similar to the 243.
meh what ever they choose i just think hopefully they dont rely on old gun types to make it go.
The whole, "wounded soldier is better than a dead soldier" is a fallacy that continually gets repeated. That was never the intention behind certain military calibers. Changing entire calibers from current NATO standards would be a logistical supply and manufacturing nightmare.
It'll be a AR of some design for simplicity's sake. Logistics, training, literally everything will transition very smoothly. Catering to the lowest common denominator and all.
This is also the logical way, but since when has any military been logical?
This is also the logical way, but since when has any military been logical?
